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Rock Band Live's Second Act: Networks and Data Centers

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the obvious-next-step dept.

Network 52

Nerval's Lobster writes "Of late, there's been a number of crossovers between technology and entertainment, including the rash of creative directors at brands like Polaroid (Lady Gaga), Intel (Will.i.am) and BlackBerry (Alicia Keys). It's a much rarer thing, though, for rock stars to invest in infrastructure, rather than serve as the 'face' of a brand. But that's exactly what three members of the rock band Live, which sold 20 million albums in its '90s heyday, are doing as their second act: investing in a company that plans on building a 100-Gbit fiber link across Pennsylvania to four data centers. That company, United Fiber and Data (originally known as United Federal Data), will build out a network between New York City and Ashburn, Virginia — providing a low-latency data pipeline that connects offices in Virginia to data centers owned by Wall Street. Supposedly in the name of security, the network will avoid the traditional I-95 corridor, a more direct route used by many other networks."

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Lightning Crashes (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080877)

Oh, I can feel it
Coming back again
Like a rolling thunder
Chasing the wind
Forces pulling from the
Center of the earth again
I can feel it...

Re:Lightning Crashes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43081151)

When you are alone you are the cat, you are the phone
You are an animal
The words I'm singing now
Mean nothing more than meow to an animal
Wake up and smell the cat food in your bank account
But don't try to stop the tail that wags the hound

Low latency from their pipe to your hole. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43080917)

So they can fuck you into poverty at ever increasing speeds!

100 Gbit? (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year and a half ago | (#43080921)

100Gbit doesn't sound that fast for a datacenter interconnect.

Re:100 Gbit? (2)

godrik (1287354) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081011)

100Gbit is super expensive as soon as you are not "local". If you need higher bandwidth, you might consider building you data center accross the street of the other one.

Re:100 Gbit? (2)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081163)

100Gbit is super expensive as soon as you are not "local". If you need higher bandwidth, you might consider building you data center accross the street of the other one.

I didn't say it's cheap, but when 10Gbit interfaces are common in the datacenter, 100Gbit doesn't sound like much of an interconnect between datacenters. A mid-scale datacenter probably hosts thousands servers (25 racks is around 1000U of space) and petabytes of data, so it wouldn't take many customers replicating data to the other datacenter to saturate the 100Gbit link.

Even Google Fiber offers 1Gbit links to the home.

Re:100 Gbit? (1)

godrik (1287354) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081321)

But you move much more data internally than externally. All computing systems are built like that. You have much more bandwidth from memory to CPU than to disk.

If you are replicating data, then you do not have more data flowing out of your data center than you have data flowing in you data center. Assuming symmetric links you can always replicate all your data.

If you are periodically replicating ALL your data instead of sending diff, then you will hit a bottleneck whatever your out bandwidth is.

Re:100 Gbit? (1)

Bengie (1121981) | about a year and a half ago | (#43082689)

When you hear stories about someone transferring a sustained 800Gb/s over a single fiber over 2k miles, eventually, hearing about 100Gb links becomes dull.

Re:100 Gbit? (1)

jeffmeden (135043) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081741)

100Gbit doesn't sound that fast for a datacenter interconnect.

Not everyone can afford those super fancy Chinese 2 Tbit fiber links. These (obviously) aren't tier 1 markets either, so they should be fine with petty 100 Gig links. If you can find other data centers across central PA that are better connected, do share.

Re:100 Gbit? (1)

jjeffries (17675) | about a year and a half ago | (#43083537)

The current speed of the equipment at each end is fairly meaningless; the big expense is actually laying the fiber in the first place. Optical equpiment keeps getting more speed out of the same ol' single mode fiber. It won't be just one fiber either, it will be a whole bunch, so really it can be "100GBit * some # of fibers" from the get-go.

Live's first album "Mental Jewelry" is worth listening to if you've never heard it. Much less meaningless-pseudo-hard-rock than you might expect if you've just heard them on the radio or whatnot.

Two words... (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081105)

Datacenter groupies.

Misleading title (4, Funny)

neminem (561346) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081141)

I was wondering what sort of crazy plan would lead to the use of Rock Band in a data center. Like, were they using those plastic drums to store hard drives in or something?

Re:Misleading title (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081201)

I thought Rock Band Live was a game.
they certainly capitalized it as if it were.

and in other news, guys with money are investing money.

Re:Misleading title (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081221)

and will is a douche, giving cheap advertisement value in exchange of a "real job" title(it's not a real job - if it were, he would have been doing a terrible, terrible job at it too!).

Re:Misleading title (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | about a year and a half ago | (#43082749)

Yes, it can be read multiple ways. No, it was not capitalized improperly.

It's (Rock Band) (Live), not (Rock Band Live).

Re:Misleading title (1)

filthpickle (1199927) | about a year and a half ago | (#43083785)

Why would rock band be capitalized for the generic meaning?

Re:Misleading title (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | about a year and a half ago | (#43083913)

You're totally right, but looking at slashdot's main page right now, most of the articles have each word capitalized except for articles, prepositions, and conjunctions. (I see one "For" capitalization.)

Re:Misleading title (1)

jxander (2605655) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081237)

Glad I wasn't the only one.

Can't really blame slashdot on this one, though... the band has a hard name to parse. "Live building a datacenter," sounds like a video where we watch construction crews, live!

Re:Misleading title (1)

b1t r0t (216468) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081919)

Can you live [wikipedia.org] with Live [wikipedia.org] playing live [wikipedia.org] on Live [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:Misleading title (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081259)

Given that most slashdotters are probably more interested in videogames than 90's angsty bands, I expect most people clicked on the comments trying to figure out what this has to do with harmonix.

Re:Misleading title (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081435)

Cedar Fair, once had a stage show called "Rock Band, Live" [ign.com] , which was a spectacular failure now regarded as a bit of a joke within the company. The audience basically got to watch one lucky person play Rock Band on stage, with some dancers dressed as characters. I'm not sure who thought that "watching other people play video games" would be entertaining enough for a show, but apparently it passed through several layers of management.

It was produced by an outside company, so I find it hilarious to think that the show has now gotten a "second act" by moving to some abandoned dot-com-era data center as a well-powered venue, where participants can play via videoconference, so they don't have to bore a real audience.

Re:Misleading title (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | about a year and a half ago | (#43082871)

I'm not sure who thought that "watching other people play video games" would be entertaining enough for a show

I presume you're joking (due to the 2nd paragraph), but at least from what I've seen in media coverage, in other countries, people *do* do this. For example, professional gamers in IIRC Japan and/or South Korea, and others pay to watch them play.

Re:Misleading title (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year and a half ago | (#43083829)

Not joking at all, sadly.

Professional gamers are interesting to watch, because they're on a different level than the spectators. Their tactics and speed are impressive, pushing the limits of human ability, making a competitive video game into a sporting event.

Random passers-by at an amusement park aren't quite so interesting. As I understand it, the first few weeks of shows had a pre-show try-out to assert that guests had some modicum of skill, but by the end of the season anyone who could bash on an instrument was considered qualified to go on stage. In the interest of keeping guests happy, the actors had to treat the guests like they were great musicians, no matter how badly they actually played.

Re:Misleading title (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | about a year and a half ago | (#43083943)

This is the part that I thought was a joke:

It was produced by an outside company, so I find it hilarious to think that the show has now gotten a "second act" by moving to some abandoned dot-com-era data center as a well-powered venue, where participants can play via videoconference, so they don't have to bore a real audience.

This slashdot thread has NOTHING to do with the stage show to which you're referring.

Re:Misleading title (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year and a half ago | (#43084141)

Ah. I thought the "misleading title" thread would be about a misleading title... and that's what the title led me to think about.

The summary eased my fears a bit.

Re:Misleading title (2)

LordNimon (85072) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081481)

The only way the title would be clear is if they had written, "The Second Act of Live (the musicians)" And even then, it can still be confusing. Ideally, "Live" should be italicized.

Unfortunately, when you choose a stupid name for your band, you're just going to cause problems. If I see them in concert, do I tell people, "I'm going to see Live live!"

Re:Misleading title (2)

gman003 (1693318) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081949)

Could be worse. There's a band named "The The", and another one named "The Band".

Still doesn't hold up to "!!!", which is the only band I know of to require the use of the International Phonetic Alphabet (the ! is an alveolar click, used in some African and Australian languages).

Re:Misleading title (1)

Pubstar (2525396) | about a year and a half ago | (#43082627)

!!! is a pretty good band though. The others not so much.

Re:Misleading title (1)

neminem (561346) | about a year and a half ago | (#43082041)

Yep. Even better, "I'm listening to the recorded version of a Live album".

To be honest, those are some of my favorite band names. The The, The Who, The Band, etc. Someone on a forum once quipped that they'd love to start two bands who'd go on tours together, so they could announce, We're "Still Here"! Now stick around, for "More Crap"! I'd totally do that. (Barring having a second band, I suppose you could just name your band "Still Here", and have a song called "More Crap" instead.)

Re:Misleading title (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43084125)

Live was one of the best gig's I have ever been to (Muse were supporting and utter shite).

Re:Misleading title (1)

weilawei (897823) | about a year and a half ago | (#43082511)

Try Googling for "M". (They're the one-hit wonder responsible for Pop Muzik.) A few years ago, this was nearly impossible, although it seems Google now links to Wikipedia if you search for "m band".

Re:Misleading title (1)

neminem (561346) | about a year and a half ago | (#43085273)

Indeed it does. (Then underneath it links to the totally unrelated M band [wikipedia.org] :D - I'm gonna go ahead and add a "if you were looking for" link there...)

Does remind me of a quote from a friend back in college, when he was working on some paper for a class:
"How to stump Google:
Try to find a painting called "Orchestra" by an artist who is much less famous than the orchestra conductor he shares a name with."

Re:Misleading title (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43086537)

Clickbait title. Ignore article. Ban news source.

Confusing Title (2, Insightful)

Brucelet (1857158) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081153)

I thought we were talking about a new video game.

Re:Confusing Title (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081241)

You mean we're not? [cedarfair.com]

Re:Confusing Title (1)

davidbrit2 (775091) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081967)

Same. And now I am disappointed.

heeeeeeee (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43081257)

her placenta falls to the floor.....

i used to think the lyrics were... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43081921)

"hopeless centaur, falls, to the floor"

Server Crashes (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43081277)

oh now feel it comin' back again
like a rollin' system admin
forces pullin' from the data center again
I can feel it.

system crashes, a new server dies
a motherboard falls to the floor
the admin opens her drives
the confusion sets in
before they can run a system restore

Re:Server Crashes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43081315)

Put down your chainsaw and listen to me
It's time for us to join in the fight
It's time to let your babies grow up to be cowboys
It's time to let the bedbugs bite

You better put all your eggs in one basket
You better count your chickens before they hatch
You better sell some wine before it's/its time
You better find yourself an itch to scratch

You better squeeze all the Charmin you can while Mr. Wimpole's not around
Stick your head in the microwave and get yourself a tan

Talk with your mouth full
Bite the hand that feeds you
Bite on more than you chew
What can you do
Dare to be stupid

Re:Server Crashes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43081863)

That's Mr. Whipple [wikipedia.org] , you insensitive clod!

Re:Server Crashes (1)

jacknifetoaswan (2618987) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081579)

You have no idea how badly I wish I had mod points right now!

Someone please mod this up!!!

Before Lady Gaga (1)

syntheticmemory (1232092) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081331)

Henry Shawah worked with Polaroid as a design consultant and teacher from 1967-1969. Henry was a goldsmith working in Cambridge, Ma., and one of a small number of American associates of the Worshipful Company of Goldsmiths.

won't be (1)

cifey (583942) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081355)

Wall Street The religion that doesn't r*** you?

the angel opens her eyes.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43081627)

pale blue colored eyes....

New lyrics (4, Funny)

wbr1 (2538558) | about a year and a half ago | (#43081745)

lightning crashes, a new server dies
it's VMs respond no more
the admin opens his eyes
the confusion sets in
as the NOC makes call after call

lightning crashes, and old server dies
its RAID array spinning no more
the admin closes his eyes
he needs more caffeine
to bring up a new server, in under an hour

Cooling fans spinning up again
If he fixes it, it'll feel like a win
RAID 5 stripe parity error again
He can feel it.

lightning crashes, the whole racks dies
blades are smoking in rack four
the admin opens his eyes
red bloodshot eyes
He's tired of putting out all these fires

Cooling fans spinning up again
If he fixes it, it'll feel like a win
RAID 5 stripe parity error again
He can feel it.

Re:New lyrics (1)

wbr1 (2538558) | about a year and a half ago | (#43082131)

My apologies to the AC before me. I started my post before his posted (or it was under my threshold). I still say mine is better and more complete :)
And I am not AC in fear of a take down notice!

Slashvertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43082437)

New Summary:
Rockers who were popular 15-20 years ago and wrote songs about decay in society hear that data mining is the next big thing, invest an undisclosed sum of money in a company that wants to put data centers in old mining country, "looking to give back," perhaps thinking out-of-work miners in this area could use their mining skills in the digital age if only someone would build a data center in Allentown.

The original summary is misleading, following the TV news format of:

  1. Talk about something unrelated that will get people's attention
  2. Then say it's rare that __________.
  3. Then say, "but that's exactly what these guys are doing!" to make people think it's some incredible coincidence that someone is doing the rare thing you just mentioned. Now it's newsworthy because it's a coincidence! "What are the odds? You should watch this!"
  4. Then tell your story, which really isn't all that amazing.

It turns out the rockers haven't turned into tech stars, they just took some of their money and invested it in someone's company. For all we know it could be $10, and the whole point is simply to lend their celebrity to the company in the hopes that it will gain attention on sites like Slashdot.

I'm going to go out on a limb and call this a slashvertisement. There's really no story here, just trying to drum up interest in a company. Look at the top of the page in TFA. Why is TFA hosted by slashdot? Look at the other categories at the top. Business Intelligence is synonymous with slashvertisement. Most people figured out that any slashdot summary featuring embedded video is a slashvertisement, so this is the new method to get you to read paid ads.

No longer Throwing Copper... (2)

Anthracene (126183) | about a year and a half ago | (#43084089)

...next album: Throwing Fiber?

Re:No longer Throwing Copper... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43085207)

How about Throwing Copper (away), Laying Fiber

What a letdown. (1)

ajegwu (1142365) | about a year and a half ago | (#43088937)

I loved playing drums on Rock Band, and I'm currently in love with Rocksmith. Based on the title, I thought this was some sequel to Rock Band that was going to allow multiplayer with real instruments.
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