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FBI Arrests LulzSec and Anonymous Hackers

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the long-cyber-arm-of-the-law dept.

Security 289

Velcroman1 writes "The FBI arrested two alleged members of the hacking collectives LulzSec and Anonymous on Thursday morning in San Francisco and Phoenix. Search warrants were also being executed in New Jersey, Minnesota and Montana, an FBI official told FoxNews.com. A document purported to come from the FBI leaked online earlier this month called these hacker groups a national security threat. One individual was described as part of the LulzSec group, the other belongs to the group that calls itself Anonymous, the official said. The suspected hacker arrested in California is homeless and alleged to have been involved in the hacking of Santa Cruz County government websites."

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I guess... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485642)

I guess he wasn't so Anonymous after all. ... unlike me!

Re:I guess... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485762)

Hi Dave!

Re:I guess... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486044)

Dave's not here man.

Re:I guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486106)

Dave!

Re:I guess... (1)

History's Coming To (1059484) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486220)

Shut up Dave. Oh balls, this is my accdf9-g5%6m [CARRIER LOST] OK? There. The joke ends here.

holy cow, (-1, Offtopic)

garaged (579941) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485644)

first post ?

Re:holy cow, (1, Redundant)

Rinnon (1474161) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485650)

first post ?

Congratulations! You win a misguided sense of pride!

Re:holy cow, (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485656)

No, you fail fuckface.

Re:holy cow, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485982)

FBI Feeble Bozo's Inside

Re:holy cow, (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486586)

FBI Feeble Bozo's Inside

"We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us."
- The FBI's new slogan :)

Homeless. (0, Offtopic)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485646)

Re:Homeless. (0)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485932)

Oh... When I saw "homeless" and "whorulesamerica" I thought you were going to introduce us to a conspiracy theory about how a secret cabal of homeless men actually run the country.

Re:Homeless. (0)

Tr3vin (1220548) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486142)

That is John Hodgman's job.

Hang Them (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485652)

Their desire for freedom must go unheard. Preserve our plutocracy.

Re:Hang Them (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485890)

I'm not willing to claim they are all "activists." But there is certainly an activist component to what they do.

And at the same time, power hates being stood up to. Stand up to the MafiAA, stand up to the abusive assholes at Sony, stand up to abusive cops who don't like the idea of being caught on video shooting a handcuffed homeless guy in the back, caught beating up a special ed kid [youtube.com] , or try to get a 75-year charge on someone for recording them [reason.com] .

So it's not surprising the FBI are engaged in what many will see as an overreaction. Especially when they need to be "seen to be doing something" to look good for their corrupt politician bosses.

Cue the Politcal Perseqution Posts (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485712)

I can hear it now. They are political prisoners!

Re:Cue the Politcal Perseqution Posts (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485962)

Damn it who put a q in persecution?

Re:Cue the Politcal Perseqution Posts (2)

tmosley (996283) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486372)

Probably the French.

Damn Frenchies. I need some Freedom Fries!

Well... (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485770)

Did anyone not see this coming? Even after the last round of arrests, folks somehow assumed the rest of them were in the clear...

Re:Well... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485912)

These people always seem totally unaware of how law enforcement works - slowly and methodically. You didn't get away just because no-one kicked down your door right away, instead they're out there collecting evidence with which to nail you.

Re:Well... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485938)

It's PR control by the law enforcement. Arrest a few people here and there and no one really makes a fuss... Arrest hundreds of people at one time and people start questioning what's happening...

Re:Well... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486694)

Yeah... that's it... exactly. Boy are you a stupid individual.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486268)

instead they're out there collecting evidence with which to nail you.

Or more accurately collecting evidence to put you in a position in which a lonely, burly, tattooed prison cellmate will nail you.

Re:Well... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486370)

You didn't get away just because no-one kicked down your door right away, instead they're waiting while they try to figure out what to say in kangaroo court.

FTFY

Re:Well... (0)

Heretic2 (117767) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486640)

These people always seem totally unaware of how law enforcement works - slowly and methodically. You didn't get away just because no-one kicked down your door right away, instead they're out there collecting evidence with which to nail you.

LEO's get a few lower end members, but overall, they're outmatched and being out played. LEO's are very disparate at this stage, and in fact, they themselves have been infiltrated.

Re:Well... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486124)

Or the first rounds of kids they picked up in the UK and US started rolling over on others. Which would be a bit... humorous. We know that many of the ones at the top know each others identities. And it wouldn't be entirely surprising, given that they nailed the important kids first. Ideologies can degrade quickly when you're being held by the authorities and looking at a prison term.

The important take-away here is, Anon is not some leaderless collective of political activists. There is a top, and the remaining bulk are just kids that are occasionally used as DDoS drones. Those few people steer the rest to engage in some truly dumb activities, while they attempt slightly more involved "hacks" in the background, figuring that if anyone is ever caught, it'll be the drones.

Authorities got some of the heads, and now they're taking everyone else down, bit-by-bit. Various pretenders will call themselves "Anon" in the future, but the ones you actually know from headlines are a small group of people, and they're being thoroughly routed. As was predicted.

I'm not happy or sad about it, really. I just think it's obvious that the pretentious image of a leaderless, rogue group of genuinely anonymous people acting to right social wrongs is mostly bogus. It just makes good copy.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486620)

We know that many of the ones at the top know each others identities.

Oh but there is no 'top', no-one knows anyone, there is no organization, none of it is organized, it's a stand-alone complex where each individual acted alone without knowledge of the others and attacked their targets which coincidentally resulted in a DDOS! The HBGary attack was a coincidence too and was not organized or motivated by previous operations! rah rah [more ignorant bullshit rhetoric] rah rah

News Headlines For Tomorrow (3, Funny)

Deaths Proxy (1795932) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485790)

Tonight we get to hear from our security expert why the FBI website has gone down. More at six.

Oh No!!! Not Our Website!!! How Will We Survive? (4, Insightful)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485882)

Yeah, that's part of the hilarity with these lulsec/anonymous kids. They keep picking fights with ginormously powerful entities which would not think twice about tossing them into small cells at the bottom of a deep holes, yet they seem to feel these Death Star Agencies and Corporations will back off due to the punks' mad skillz with internet servers.

In Chicago, they call that "bringing a knife to a gun fight."

Re:Oh No!!! Not Our Website!!! How Will We Survive (5, Insightful)

the_raptor (652941) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486628)

No, the point is it is funny. That is it. Anonymous is in it for the lulz. If some of the horde gets taken out nobody really cares.

Also "LulzSec" are actually pretty terrible at hacking. Most of it is really low rent exploits and social engineering which is why it is so amusing how much "damage" they have caused. The only thing that makes them a cut above a thousand other minor hackers is that they are publicising it, which is exactly the best way to piss the corporations off. They don't care that much about the intrusions, just that their customers are finding out how unsafe these "trusted" companies are.

P.S. The real dangerous hackers live in non-extradition countries and have thugs with guns at hand. They aren't scared of the FBI.

Re:Oh No!!! Not Our Website!!! How Will We Survive (1)

HairyNevus (992803) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486756)

I dunno, reading some of the "Anonymous" releases makes me think they believe they can actually change the world by what they are doing. They get pretty lofty and poetic for being in it strictly "for teh lulz". Not that it wasn't funny/important/damning what they did, but eliciting social change? History will decide, and take a while to do so.

Oh yes indeed.... (5, Insightful)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485824)

There is nothing of greater threat to national security than a HOMELESS hacker. Though I guess it is good as any excuse to get such riff-raft off the curbs. Why just the other day I saw this homeless person and immediately thought; you know, that person is probably a real threat to my countries security and needs FBI involvement to justify their jailing.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485854)

Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485952)

Bobby? Is that you?

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486200)

No. It's Kris. I'm looking for Bobbie, lost her near Salinas.

You haven't seen her have you?

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485860)

Because being impoverished [wikipedia.org] precludes you from causing trouble. Anarchists, revolutionaries, etc, are a threat. I'm glad they were apprehended.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486040)

Ohh give me a break... this is the US. We've locked up everybody who could be a threat even remotely and then we've locked up everybody else who wants to enjoy life and doesn't have the $$$ or brains to defend against the governments intrusiveness.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (3, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485874)

There is nothing of greater threat to national security than a HOMELESS hacker. Though I guess it is good as any excuse to get such riff-raft off the curbs. Why just the other day I saw this homeless person and immediately thought; you know, that person is probably a real threat to my countries security and needs FBI involvement to justify their jailing.

It's easier to go after the kiddies than to address the real threats, such as the Russian mafia or whoever is doing the stuff from China.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486028)

Or how about properly addressing the events that led up to all this to begin with?

Addressing China would start a war, I'd say just cut their land line and be done w/ it, don't even bother rerouting packets, but what do i know...

Also, everybody that has been arrested is under 30, let me stress that, EVERYBODY. They're not arresting security professionals here with masters degrees and 20 years industry knowledge, they're arresting script kiddies that somehow felt they could make a difference through anarchism.

The difference is these kids now have the internet, and schools are catching up as to where these kids could at least pass through the door to how to use a computer to do things that aren't brain dead obvious.

I'm sure they won't be the last...

Our society is broken and people still wonder...

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (3)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486138)

False dichotomy alert. Lets stop going after shoplifters, hackers, and wife beaters, until we've taken care of the mafia, drug lords, and crazy dictators with nukes.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486264)

False dichotomy alert. Lets stop going after shoplifters, hackers, and wife beaters, until we've taken care of the mafia, drug lords, and crazy dictators with nukes.

ignoratio elenchi strawman alert

do you like chocolate or vanilla ice cream?

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (2)

aralin (107264) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486528)

I'm totally with you, but I don't think you take it far enough. I demand that shoplifters, hackers and wife beaters be pursued by FBI, but also CIA, NSA, DEA and FDA as well. You can never be too careful about them national security threatening shoplifting terrorists!

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (1)

mr_lizard13 (882373) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485984)

It's country's, not countries.

;^)

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486760)

posessive vs plural?

Well said, lord-count Lizard, only what will the Norse shire-reeve say about their counties being overwritten by the Anglish countries?

Don't let the cat-of-9-tales out of the bag.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (4, Insightful)

devleopard (317515) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486026)

Despite the political rhetoric, you don't get arrested for your potential threat, you get arrested for an alleged crime. Pretty simple concept.

If I spray-paint "My mom's a whore call here at 555-1212" on the side of your car, I broke the law. It doesn't matter if I'm homeless or not.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (1)

BJ_Covert_Action (1499847) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486238)

No, but I sure wonder how the homeless fella had regular enough access to a reliable internet connection to commit any serious hacking crimes. I suppose that's part of the burden of evidence that rests on the prosecution, right?

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (1)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486326)

The homeless have better internet than you do. It's called the library.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (1)

LordThyGod (1465887) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486556)

Shirley, you jest. You forgot the smilie.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486462)

Are you really that stupid? Oh, I forgot, I need to carry an ether cable from my house to anywhere where I might want an internet connection. Of course.
 
Even in the suburb of a city that has less than a million people I can only think of one place I go on a regular basis that I'm not able to get a wifi signal. Or are you too stupid to understand how the internets works?

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (3, Funny)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486602)

He owns an iPhone, and the instruction manual on how to hold it.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486286)

Despite the political rhetoric, you don't get arrested for your potential threat, you get arrested for an alleged crime. Pretty simple concept. If I spray-paint "My mom's a whore call here at 555-1212" on the side of your car, I broke the law.

And no one's mom will get arrested (or even investigated) for prostitution.
FYI, her number seems to be disconnected.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486728)

I've tried that number several times, and it's always a different lady. What's your mom's name?

Oh, and don't worry, it was my neighbour's car.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (1, Troll)

DRJlaw (946416) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486116)

There is nothing of greater threat to national security than a HOMELESS hacker. Though I guess it is good as any excuse to get such riff-raft off the curbs. Why just the other day I saw this homeless person and immediately thought; you know, that person is probably a real threat to my countries security and needs FBI involvement to justify their jailing.

Yes. This was all about the homelessness. The hacking part had nothing to do with it.

I can't begin to imagine why this has been moderated as "Insightful." If you attack a government website, even a county government website, and someone is likely to take notice and do something about it. The homeles guy is not going to get a pass simply because he's homeless. Another homeless guy who didn't attack the county government website isn't going to be changed in Federal Court with violating the CFAA (a Federal statute, violation of which is investigated by a Federal entity - shock).

Nevermind that the article said (it has since been revised), that the groups were threats to national security, which they quite clearly have proven themselves to be.

You should have been moderated "Troll."

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486244)

And there I was thinking that if he was such a skilled hacker, he'd probably be making enough money to pay rent. Gee, how silly I am.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (4, Insightful)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486506)

As more and more Americans are forced into homelessness because of economic destruction initiated by their traitorous government, the authorities will rightly begin to equate being homeless with being disgruntled with the establishment.

As it is, the homeless are often stalked and harassed by the cops(predators like to practice in between the real hunts) and even beaten and manslaughtered by the law or gangs of masked, steroid-addled MMA freaks.

And surprise, surprise - Obama will pull the troops out of Iraq and place them in domestic security, prison, and law enforcement jobs, coincidentally the only jobs that will be left, just in time for the economic meltdown and popular revolt. The combat-hardened half of the population will be turned loose against the half with starving children and no roof over their heads.

That's why true red-blooded Americans must fight on two fronts, with a laptop in one hand and a loaded gun in the other.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (2)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486126)

The suspected hacker is homeless and alleged to have been involved in Santa Cruz County government website cyberattacks...

So, hacking county government websites is ok, just so long as you are homeless? Is that how it works?

Or is your objection that county police werent involved in an internet crime?

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486364)

One would wonder

If homeless, why would one spend ones time and skills hacking. Maybe spend time using skills to get an apartment? At least sleep in a warm bed while thinking up next hack.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486172)

This is providing the homeless with a roof you insensitive clod!

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486266)

Hey FBI, I'll generalize TFS for you, so you don't have a template for future Naziism:

function terrorSummary($subculture,$domesticTerrorismGroup) {
    global $places;
    $group = groupRelatedTo($subculture);
    ($activity,$doer,$POI) = mainActivity($subculture);
    $time = randomPointInTimeBetween(1 day, 1 week);
    $placesPri = $places.takeRandom(1, 3);
    $placesSec = $places.takeRandom(1, 3);
    echo "$domesticTerrorismGroup (not a reliable source) says: 'The FBI arrested two alleged members of the $activity collectives $group and $subculture on $time in $placesPri. Search warrants were also being executed in $placesSec, an FBI official told $domesticTerrorismGroup. A document purported to come from the FBI leaked online earlier this month called these $activity groups a national security threat. One individual was described as part of the $group group, the other belongs to the group that calls itself $subculture the official said. The suspected $doer arrested in California is homeless and alleged to have been involved in the $activity on Santa Cruz County government $POI.'";
}

You're welcome!

-----

TL;DR: In other words: Somebody who is well-known to lie to cause terror deliberately confuses a subculture for a group (implying there is organization and one can find them all), and alleges a homeless man and another straw man as belonging to those "groups" and being caught for their alleged petty crimes.

Yeeaah... okay, Iâ(TM)m sorry, but I'm not gonna believe one word they say.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486410)

oh ho ho posting a long boring batch of imaginary computer code. i have never seen that before. you are truly an internet comedy genius.

Re:Oh yes indeed.... (2)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486362)

There is nothing of greater threat to national security than a HOMELESS hacker.

Homeless doesn't mean "unskilled." It may simply mean "unemployable." Morris County shelters see growing number of white-collar professionals becoming homeless [nj.com]

But are we looking at deep poverty here or a cyberpunk fantasy?

Feds: Homeless Computer Hacker Launched 'Anonymous' Attack Over Anti-Camping Law [talkingpointsmemo.com]

After 23 nights, an area near the county courthouse steps is filled with sleeping bags, coolers, food, books, backpacks and other personal belongings campers have brought with them.

Homeless campers plead with Santa Cruz city leaders to change sleeping law [santacruzsentinel.com]

Homeless? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485842)

How did they find him exactly?

Re:Homeless? (1)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485852)

HOMELESS == on the street/in the gutter.

Re:Homeless? (1)

MichaelKristopeit347 (1968128) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486122)

homeless == does not own a home.

they could have been renting $3,000/mo townhouses.

Re:Homeless? (1)

itsenrique (846636) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486314)

That is not what homeless commonly means in the US.

Re:Homeless? (1)

LordThyGod (1465887) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486584)

What then? Unable to support oneself, and sleeping under an underpass, or maybe in a shelter somewhere? Or is it possible in America where words don't always mean what they seem, that homeless people own/rent homes?

Re:Homeless? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486724)

Yes, if you say "I'm homeless" it's means you have nowhere to call a home which includes your rental villa. It's not that you don't own a house. If that were the case then New York would have a homeless rate of about 70%.

Re:Homeless? (1)

MichaelKristopeit347 (1968128) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486608)

that is exactly what homeless means. you're an idiot.

itsanidiot.

Re:Homeless? (2)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486148)

No, thats not what homeless means. Homeless means you dont have a permenant residence-- you could be at a shelter, or moving from friend's house to friend's house, or you could be "on the streets", or any number of other possibilities.

Seeing as hackers tend to need internet access, Im guessing its one of the first two.

I have to admit (1)

byeley (2451634) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485844)

I would have thought being homeless was a pretty darn good evasion method.

I suppose it's more of a living with a friend and not paying rent kinda thing. Article gives no further information that I can see.

Re:I have to admit (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485898)

I would have thought being homeless was a pretty darn good evasion method.

My thought exactly.

Wonder what the warrant said... "Frequents the corner of 5th and Highland" ? "Drives an unmarked grocery basket"?

Re:I have to admit (1)

Provocateur (133110) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486010)

10 questions from slashdotters to Anonymous

1. What kind of shopping cart do you use? Is it equipped with that gadget to tell you which aisle the beans are at?
2. Did the Feds hack into that gadget (using VB, etc) to find you?

(you are invited to add more)

Re:I have to admit (1)

Dragon Bait (997809) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486246)

I would have thought being homeless was a pretty darn good evasion method.

I suppose it's more of a living with a friend and not paying rent kinda thing. Article gives no further information that I can see.

Just think how would you do it? The first thing you do is track the IP address. Probably led them to an library, school, internet cafe, McDonald's, .... Once there, watch and record the IP traffic at that location until you have both your suspect and your case against the suspect.

I'm sure that homeless are as much creatures of habit as the rest of us.

I am wondering (5, Interesting)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485848)

How they know the homeless guy did it, yes I know its not impossible for people to get on a computer, but unless the guy had a freaking home office in his box its probably going to be on shared computers

this will be interesting when there is more than a 1 paragraph blurb

Re:I am wondering (1)

LordThyGod (1465887) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486618)

The ip address was traced to a homeless shelter, and his fingerprints were on the keyboard. :/

Told ya new facebook had it's uses (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485856)

And the silly idjots thot their conversations were private ...

Low-hanging fruit & lazy Feds. (4, Insightful)

Tommy Bologna (2431404) | more than 3 years ago | (#37485864)

It's a good thing the FBI is swatting at these gnats, diverting resources from investigating Chinese hacking, rampant industrial espionage, or the ubiquitous banking fraud. Fantastic work, G-men! You're making us proud.

Re:Low-hanging fruit & lazy Feds. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486344)

It's a good thing the FBI is swatting at these gnats, diverting resources from investigating Chinese hacking, rampant industrial espionage, or the ubiquitous banking fraud. Fantastic work, G-men! You're making us proud.

14,000 agents and 56 field offices. Yeah, you're probably right - they dropped every single other thing they were doing to concentrate all their efforts on this. Where's my rolling eyes icon?

Re:Low-hanging fruit & lazy Feds. (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486414)

Of course! Chinese hackers, industrial spies and bank defrauders don't broadcast it or make it public and make the FBI look like inapt idiots. They are, essentially, no threat to the FBI funding, and hence no problem. They're basically in the same game, keep it under wraps and everyone's happy.

A lesson to learn (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485872)

He got caught because he REGISTERED his username on the internet. This breaks rule #1 of the internet, what's posted cannot be unposted.

I was reading the court indictment wondering if they were somehow able to trace a proxy after the fact of use, which with something like TOR is quite the feat, but no, dude signed up to hidemyass.com, used the SAME user name, and thus will now meet Bubba in prison. Ah, the world of hacking, a mistake, and its your ass.

Re:A lesson to learn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486204)

I can't believe people don't think it through THOROUGHLY before doing something of this magnitude. We're not talking just proxychains and TOR here....as you just mentioned...Username choices and registration...browser plugins....OS choice....hell...boot method. If you fail to plan, you plan to fail.

Re:A lesson to learn (2)

B1oodAnge1 (1485419) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486308)

This further confirms my lack of conviction that they have caught anyone of importance at all... Who's word are we going on here that these guys are big kahunas anyway?

Re:A lesson to learn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486684)

Probably as big as there are. Running canned SQL exploits and DDOSes against public web servers doesn't take a criminal mastermind.

Re:A lesson to learn (1)

jklovanc (1603149) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486730)

One very effective policing technique is to catch small fish and entice them to roll on the bigger fish. Also, if more small fish get caught the big fish may stop out of self preservation.

We salute An Hero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485928)

The suspected hacker arrested in California is homeless

Well, he had a perfectly nice van [encyclopediadramatica.ch] down by the river, until his fellow hackers on steroids [encyclopediadramatica.ch] decided to blow it up [encyclopediadramatica.ch] for the lulz [encyclopediadramatica.ch] .

Re:We salute An Hero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486128)

So i hear you like encyclopedia dramatica.

FBI arrested two alleged members of the hacking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37485940)

I just figured out a statement like that could happen in third world governments. Now I know where they learned to lie from. Come on, guys, declare your are not able to find where the hackers are. A few script kiddies looking for fame will declare they are...

Re:FBI arrested two alleged members of the hacking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486396)

Third world usually imitates the first world but does a piss poor job of PR so it looks like these things don't happen in our backyard.

CAPTCHA: hapless

"Inspired by WikiLeaks and Julian Assange"? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486012)

Guess I shouldn't expect much better from Fox News.

Captcha was "wiretaps".

National Security threat modeling (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486030)

If national security can be threatened by Anonymous or Lulz, it seems to me we don't have much in the way of national security.

latest excuse (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486064)

Is it just me, or does this seem to be ramping up into the latest excuse for abuse of detention powers? The jackboots-in-charge need SOMETHING now that the labels "communist", "child pornographer", "terrorist", and "leaker" have long since been debunked.

So it looks like "anonymous/lulzsec" is the latest one.

Re:latest excuse (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486186)

It's just you.

Indictment signed by 4Chan? (1)

devleopard (317515) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486080)

In the article, on the last page of the indictment, the foreperson is signed as "/s/"

I know "/b" is the virtual home of Anonymous, but never knew that "Beautiful Sexy Women" was filled with so much government powers. Explains a lot, actually...

Re:Indictment signed by 4Chan? (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486732)

Up next we'll see indictment's by pedobear.

DoS is never anonymous (1)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486110)

What most likely happened is that these guys were arrested by IP because of a DoS attack they participated in after wich investigators found proof of other hacks on their computer.

Re:DoS is never anonymous (1)

LordThyGod (1465887) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486652)

It ain't necessarily so. The homeless guy was using a Macbook from Starbucks. It was later pawned. The FBI found it while searching all Pawn shops in the area. There was DNA evidence from a number of homeless people on it. The other ones couldn't type.

pft @ homeless (1)

Chexsum (583832) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486418)

he just doesnt want them to find the server farm

homeless hacker (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486452)

Where can you plug your notebook in on the street?

homeless != on the street (1)

jklovanc (1603149) | more than 3 years ago | (#37486702)

Homeless does not necessarily mean on the street. It could also mean "of no fixed address". Someone who couch surfs among a group of friends every few days or weeks is considered "homeless" but still has a place to stay and an internet connection to use.

The extremely silly document was fake (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#37486790)

As I pointed out in a post to the last thread on the topic:

1. All documents will have a clear sender and a clear recipient (or set of recipients) that reflect themselves in the way the document is written.
2. One of the more notable ways the sender and recipient are reflected is in what knowledge the document builds on (for the sender) and presumes exist in the recipient.
3. Even in the extremely unlikely situation that the sender really is some kind of separate FBI technogeek cave there was no identifiable recipient based on the presumed-knowledge theory - apart from the average teenage 4channer who think himself intelligent but is scared of the cops. No conceivable broad external group of FBI agents can exist that have the knowledge presumed of the so-called FBI recipients.

Yes, the document presumed the knowledge of, and was addressed to, 4chan. No FBI involved. I would hope this should be evident to anyone who reads it.

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