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Over 40% of New Mechanical Turk Jobs Involve Spam

Soulskill posted about 4 years ago | from the lower-than-expected dept.

Spam 56

An anonymous reader writes "An NYU study reveals that over 40% of the jobs posted by new employers on MTurk are some sort of spam request, such as fake account creation, fraudulent ad clicks, or fake comments, tweets, likes and votes. The study also shows that the bad jobs could be automatically filtered with 95% accuracy, but Amazon is not interested."

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Wait, humans taking over robot jobs? (1)

Even on Slashdot FOE (1870208) | about 4 years ago | (#34592932)

I guess you really can't build a robot shill.

Re:Wait, humans taking over robot jobs? (3, Interesting)

icebike (68054) | about 4 years ago | (#34595002)

The surprise is that anyone noticed all these HIT requests.

Who, other than the utterly unemployable, has time to take on meaningless tasks dished out by machine for pennies. You can find more money laying on the ground in a parking lot.

A casual perusal didn't find one task I would do for fun or profit.

Re:Wait, humans taking over robot jobs? (1)

Sparr0 (451780) | about 4 years ago | (#34596620)

Consider an HIT that is worth one cent every ten seconds. To an American, $3.60/hr sounds appalling. To someone in a third world country where $3.60 will buy a week's worth of food and $20 is rent for a month, that's a hell of a good job.

Re:Wait, humans taking over robot jobs? (1)

jago25_98 (566531) | about 4 years ago | (#34600078)

We can use this to our benefit: Write captcha questions that only your target audience can pass.

But (and this is crucial), don't call it a captcha. Call it a admissions proficiency test.

  India & Nigeria are English speaking but many other places will have difficulty answering question involving spelling.

Re:Wait, humans taking over robot jobs? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 4 years ago | (#34599698)

Welcome to the global economy. The $3.60/hour that you can make from these jobs is a bit more than a lot of outsourced workers are getting and is for unskilled work.

I just heard of this... and might post a HIT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34600632)

This is the first time that I hear about this service... And wages are low indeed. Hell, I could sacrifice one hour of my wages and get someone to do 10 hours worth of work for me (okay, assuming I wouldn't have to pay any taxes. Perhaps 6 hours worth now. But anyways). I don't know what kind of a project I could use this for but now that I heard that a service like this exists, I'll probably try to come up with some neat way to try.

I guess that the "all publicity is good publicity" mantra does hold true, here.

As for the "Who'd work for those wages?" question... Not everyone with an intenet access lives in the west. Even ignoring the worst shitholes and looking at a country like Russia, we have average wage at something like 500 a month (and less than double that for educated people such as engineers)...

hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34592964)

The article says "when we informed them about the issue. They pretty much assured us that everything is fine," Can we have some kind of quote from Amazon or do we need to take the vague interpretation at face value before drawing the articles conclusion that "Amazon is not interested".

Good! More people should play chess. (2)

santax (1541065) | about 4 years ago | (#34592986)

Re:Good! More people should play chess. (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | about 4 years ago | (#34593014)

Next you'll be asking us to bite the heads off chickens.

Re:Good! More people should play chess. (0, Offtopic)

devbox (1919724) | about 4 years ago | (#34593038)

What's wrong with chess? I find that it increases your intelligence and strategical thinking even more than some computer games. It has very basic ruleset but tons of strategies you can use while all the same time seeing everything your opponent does and he does too. It needs some skillful thinking.

Re:Good! More people should play chess. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34593170)

Live or dead?

Re:Good! More people should play chess. (2)

oldspewey (1303305) | about 4 years ago | (#34593268)

You won't know until you open the lid on the box.

Amazon is not interested (3, Insightful)

whathappenedtomonday (581634) | about 4 years ago | (#34593046)

Because Amazon only cares about ToS [amazon.com] , and about nothing else.

"We look forward to continuing to serve our AWS customers and are excited about several new things we have coming your way in the next few months."

Well, I'm looking forward to you confirming the deletion of my account I requested a week ago. And that 2nd part sounds like a threat.

Automatically filter out spam posts?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34593052)

How will Hormel ever recruit any new employees?

Hmmm (4, Interesting)

sexconker (1179573) | about 4 years ago | (#34593054)

So when 40% of their MT service usage is contrary to the ToS, everything's fine and dandy.

But when Wikileaks is in full compliance with the ToS of their EC2 service, they get the boot?

Re:Hmmm (1)

nicholas22 (1945330) | about 4 years ago | (#34593432)

Precisely, because that's what's bringing the money in I would presume.

Re:Hmmm (4, Funny)

forkfail (228161) | about 4 years ago | (#34593684)

So, obviously, Wikileaks should have hired people at 0.0001 cents per word to type in the leaked documents.

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34594990)

If a company based in Venezuela was hosting documents stolen from the presidential palace in Venezuela, it would get shut down. That doesn't stop a lot of people, many of them in governments in Europe, from hailing Venezuela as a great country.

Hence I can't make an effort to give a shit about Wikileaks or how anyone of you is treated.

Re:Hmmm (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34598670)

They explained that Wikileaks does not own the content that they were distributing and as such were clearly violating ToS. Call it what you want, but dont call it "full compliance".

Re:Hmmm (1)

slack_justyb (862874) | about 4 years ago | (#34601192)

Seriously? Do you actually think that anyone plays by their own ToS? Hence the reason pretty much all ToS have a "We have the ultimate say and there is nothing you can do about it but sulk and try again" clause.

ToS are jokes and exist to only limit what you, the user, can do (as opposed to limit what they, the provider, can do.)

MTurk (4, Informative)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | about 4 years ago | (#34593074)

I had to look this up.

Amazon Mechanical Turk (beta)

Amazon Mechanical Turk is a marketplace for work that requires human intelligence. The Mechanical Turk web service enables companies to programmatically access this marketplace and a diverse, on-demand workforce. Developers can leverage this service to build human intelligence directly into their applications.

While computing technology continues to improve, there are still many things that human beings can do much more effectively than computers, such as identifying objects in a photo or video, performing data de-duplication, transcribing audio recordings or researching data details. Traditionally, tasks like this have been accomplished by hiring a large temporary workforce (which is time consuming, expensive and difficult to scale) or have gone undone.

Mechanical Turk aims to make accessing human intelligence simple, scalable, and cost-effective. Businesses or developers needing tasks done (called Human Intelligence Tasks or “HITs”) can use the robust Mechanical Turk APIs to access thousands of high quality, low cost, global, on-demand workers—and then programmatically integrate the results of that work directly into their business processes and systems. Mechanical Turk enables developers and businesses to achieve their goals more quickly and at a lower cost than was previously possible.

Re:MTurk (1)

pudding7 (584715) | about 4 years ago | (#34593584)

Ditto that. My first thought on reading the headline was "What the fuck is Mechanical Turk?"

Re:MTurk (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34594646)

A little more informative.


The Turk, the Mechanical Turk or Automaton Chess Player was a fake chess-playing machine constructed in the late 18th century. From 1770 until its destruction by fire in 1854, it was exhibited by various owners as an automaton, though it was exposed in the early 1820s as an elaborate hoax.[1] Constructed and unveiled in 1770 by Wolfgang von Kempelen (1734–1804) to impress the Empress Maria Theresa, the mechanism appeared to be able to play a strong game of chess against a human opponent, as well as perform the knight's tour, a puzzle that requires the player to move a knight to occupy every square of a chessboard exactly once.

The Turk was in fact a mechanical illusion that allowed a human chess master hiding inside to operate the machine. With a skilled operator, the Turk won most of the games played during its demonstrations around Europe and the Americas for nearly 84 years, playing and defeating many challengers including statesmen such as Napoleon Bonaparte and Benjamin Franklin. Although many had suspected the hidden human operator, the hoax was initially revealed only in the 1820s by the Londoner Robert Willis.[2] The operator(s) within the mechanism during Kempelen's original tour remains a mystery. When the device was later purchased and exhibited by Johann Nepomuk Mälzel, the chess masters who secretly operated it included Johann Allgaier, Boncourt, Aaron Alexandre, William Lewis, Jacques Mouret, and William Schlumberger.

Figures the original was a scam.

Re:MTurk (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | about 4 years ago | (#34594836)

"What the fuck is Mechanical Turk?"

Isn't that like a Islamic version of the "Six Million Dollar Man"? [imdb.com] Some things get lost in the translation.

Re:MTurk (1)

Monchanger (637670) | about 4 years ago | (#34595048)

*rolls eyes and sighs*

I wish my fellow Americans would just learn to shut up when they have nothing intelligent to say in an international forum. Terribly sorry about that. In hopes of redeeming some measure of dignity to the US...

Turkey has historically been a secular country. Sadly, they're falling for the same nonsense the US is and are sliding backwards towards the establishment of a theocratic government.

Re:MTurk (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | about 4 years ago | (#34595314)

No apology needed, unless you were assuming I was saying something bad about either Turkey or Islam, in which case an apology would be appropriate, but from you instead, for putting words in my mouth. More likely, you simply need to grow up. There was absolutely nothing in my comment that was insulting to either Turks or Muslims, and quite frankly, as an open "international" forum, anyone is allowed to express any opinion without your apologies or input. This isn't your house, it isn't your place to apologize for the guests.

And I'm not a Christian. Or Jew. Or Muslim. So fuck off and go apologize for someone else, and in the mean time, get a sense of humor.

Re:MTurk (2)

Monchanger (637670) | about 4 years ago | (#34596894)

Calling Turkey "islamic" is in fact offensive, since Islam does not define that country, just as "Anglican" does not define the UK.

That you do not know this and make awful jokes reflects poorly on me, thus the need to apologize for my failing to ensure you don't run around the world being a jackass. It doesn't have to be my house; an idiot child brought to a restaurant demands that apologies be made to the other guests there as much as to the proprietor.

When you can comprehend these points, you may apologize to me. Until then, you can feel just as free to go fuck off yourself.

Re:MTurk (1)

Legion303 (97901) | about 4 years ago | (#34597714)

Or you could roll your eyes, groan at the bad joke and move on to the next comment, like the rest of us without sticks in our asses.

Re:MTurk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34598452)

I will confirm as someone with Turkish roots that it is somewhat offensive. But I don't think he even comes close to getting it, looking at how he said no apology was needed, unless you were assuming he was saying something bad about either Turkey or Islam.

Not that I'm particularly offended, but the whole thing looks stupid. Just imagine if this was a dominantly Turkish forum, and the Amazon product was called the Six Million Dollar Man, and after a few questions about "what the fuck" that was, some knowledgeable Turk called it the "Christian" version of the Mechanical Turk.

Would you mind if the first value or idea to pop into people's mind was Christianity when USA is mentioned? Well, you may or you may not, but I do in case of Turkey-Islam. Maybe I'm overly sensitive.

So your apology might be unnecessary, but it does help and give the impression there are US citizens who genuinely understand the meaning of words and their power.

Re:MTurk (2)

nickb64 (1885128) | about 4 years ago | (#34595518)

I take it you haven't read Doctorow's For The Win, then? If not, then I definitely suggest it.

Re:MTurk (1)

KublaiKhan (522918) | about 4 years ago | (#34593614)

So, given that there's apparently no oversight and no interest by amazon in ensuring a quality service, why would anyone want to enter that site? It sounds like schmuckbait to me.

Filtering (4, Funny)

AndrewNeo (979708) | about 4 years ago | (#34593168)

So, would the filtering of bad services from MTurk be performed using MTurk?

Is the filtering of bad workers the same? (3, Interesting)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | about 4 years ago | (#34593652)

I find it interesting that the people placing the HITs have to decide whether the work done is good quality and then decide to pay or not. So that means for each tiny job you farm out, you have to do your own tiny bit of make work to decide whether to pay or not. Can you farm this out on the turk too? If not, maybe there's a market for a service that let's you do so...

Re:Is the filtering of bad workers the same? (2)

whitehaint (1883260) | about 4 years ago | (#34594086)

I did the turk thing for a couple days, and you nailed it. Sometimes a job would pop up reviewing someone else's work. I quit though because being offered pittance to do some tasks that take time, then having the person take the work and not pay (you have no control of that) or decide to sit on it for a few weeks, well it's crap.

Re:Is the filtering of bad workers the same? (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | about 4 years ago | (#34601030)

seems like the solution to someone not paying you would be to track down all their listings, accept them and fill them with garbage constantly

Re:Is the filtering of bad workers the same? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 4 years ago | (#34599762)

There are lots of tasks where verifying the work is easier than doing it. This is the entire basis of public key cryptography and encompasses entire classes of algorithm beyond it. Often, it's easy to automate the verification, but not the work. For example, it takes a human to enter a captcha, but a machine can verify whether the value that the human gave is accepted by the system.

Profit (4, Insightful)

The Raven (30575) | about 4 years ago | (#34593184)

Same reason the USPS likes bulk mailers... they keep the operation afloat. Especially as more and more people turn to email.

What did you think was going to happen? (2)

Khopesh (112447) | about 4 years ago | (#34593200)

I know a few research scientists who use the Turk for some awesome ideas (it's a LOT cheaper than in-person human subjects and the people you get aren't homeless, drunks, or freshman psych students fulfilling requirements). However, there is little money in (non-military) basic research at the moment, and only a fraction of that even requires human subjects.

The rest is merely a new breed of on-demand advertising and promotion. Amazon is still getting paid, so they likely don't care. I'd argue that if they don't want to squash the problem altogether that they should at least isolate it to grant people an easier time in going wherever they were heading, e.g. "help me solve vision" versus "help me get popular"

Somewhat lacking (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34593298)

Did anyone else notice that the summary says 95% accuracy but doesn't break it down to False Accept and False Reject?

Not to mention, spammers adapt. That's the main problem with them.

Re:Somewhat lacking (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | about 4 years ago | (#34601290)

it's also inaccurate, more like 90% spam and garbage on mturk, it's a real shit hole.

How about spam from amazon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34593394)

How do we know that some of that spam is not from amazon itself?

95% Accuracy? (2)

gringer (252588) | about 4 years ago | (#34593402)

"Accuracy" is a difficult measure to quantify. I see from reading the article that the accuracy has been estimated at 95% due to a a 95% true positive rate and a 95% true negative rate. Given that the current spam rate is 40%, these rates aren't particularly bad, but Amazon would still have quite a few problems with angry customers. Assuming 1500 HITs per day, and 60% of those non-spam submissions, 45 would be falsely flagged as spam.

Re:95% Accuracy? (1)

darkstar949 (697933) | about 4 years ago | (#34593994)

Then couldn't they setup a HIT job to check to see if the flagged HITs are spam or not?

Yeah And (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34593416)

"The study also shows that the bad jobs could be automatically filtered with 95% accuracy, but Amazon is not interested"

is like saying spam can be filtered at the same rate, but we all know how that works...

Gaming the App Store? (1)

edxwelch (600979) | about 4 years ago | (#34593502)

This just got me thinking. Could the service be used to game the App Store? Currently, there are several companies offering to get any free App into the top 25 list for $5000. It's widely believed that they use bots to do it, but it could just as easily be mechanical turks.

And that was before Google Places appeared in Web (4, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | about 4 years ago | (#34593556)

That data is from two months back, before Google Places appeared in web search. Now, it's worse. There's a whole mini-industry in the "black hat" search engine "optimization" community creating phony Google Places entries. Here's an ad on Mechanical Turk today [mturk.com] :

Reno Gym - Google Maps Promotion (Client QMDHKOB)
Requester: Smartsheet.com Clients
HIT Expiration Date: Dec 18, 2010 (10 hours 52 minutes) Time Allotted: 60 minutes
Reward: $0.25 HITs Available: 2

  • Follow Instructions on PDF attached for BUSINESS ADDRESS (1)
  • Repeat Instructions on page 5 to 14 for BUSINESS ADDRESS (2) and (3) below.
    GMAIL ADDRESS: [Create a new Gmail Account] PASSWORD:
    • (1) 6370 Mae Anne Avenue, Reno, NV 89523
    • (2) 4784 Caughlin Parkway, Reno, NV 89519
    • (3) 18603 Wedge Parkway, Reno, NV 89511


    • (1) Anytime Fitness 6370 Mae Anne Avenue, Reno, NV 89523 (775) 746-8400
    • (2) Anytime Fitness 4784 Caughlin Parkway, Reno, NV 89519 (775) 622-8034
    • (3) Anytime Fitness 18603 Wedge Parkway, Reno, NV 89511 (775) 852-7007

    WEBSITE URL: http://renogyms.org/ [renogyms.org]

Keywords: Smartsheet, Reno, Gym, Google, Maps, Promotion, QMDHKOB

Google Places spamming hasn't been fully automated yet, so we get to watch spammers outsource their manual spamming. Spamming Google Places is incredibly easy, much easier than creating the link farms required to spam Google's old web search. See the instructions in "Dominating Google Maps- The Most Effective Spam Ever And What You Can Learn From It" [convertoffline.com] .

Google Places has been 0wned.

Re:And that was before Google Places appeared in W (1)

vlueboy (1799360) | about 4 years ago | (#34594446)

I'm surprised you weren't modded up.
I'm also surprised at how low the wages are at this turk thing, when a 15+ page script needs to be read just to get started. In the US, centuries of constant demolition and rebuilding mean that house numbers easily jump from "1" to "21" when maybe 10 houses on the same block no longer need individual numbers after the block turns into a single vacant lot.

Marketting fake numerical addresses in between legit ones ensures that Google Pagerank rates your "unique" business as #1 for certain keywords that only the inexistent address owns. When I learned this 2 weeks ago, I thought spammers had to at least sweat through that manual task by themselves... now? what a bummer!

Re:And that was before Google Places appeared in W (5, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | about 4 years ago | (#34595106)

I'm also surprised at how low the wages are at this Turk thing. ... I thought spammers had to at least sweat through that manual task by themselves.

It's like $0.25 per human-generated spam. Automation seems to be coming. I'm seeing mentions on black hat SEO forums that an automated tool for doing this in bulk will be released early next month.

Marketing fake numerical addresses in between legit ones ensures that Google Pagerank rates your "unique" business as #1...

Sometimes. That technique is mostly used to give real businesses extra bogus locations. Check out "New York City locksmith", for example. Other heavily spammed terms are "carpet cleaning" and "divorce lawyer".

This week's new technique is described at "How To Spam Google Maps For Top Google Place Listings" [seroundtable.com] . This is like SQL injection for mailing addresses. The trick depends on Google's parsing of mailing addresses from the top, while USPS standards say they should be parsed from the bottom line upward. So a mailing address with two street addresses is parsed differently by the USPS and Google, allowing the spammer to redirect Google's confirmation postcard to some mail drop.

Google seems to be out to lunch in this area. The same exploits have been working for months. Yet Google doesn't list any such issues under "Known Issues [google.com] . Over on Matt Cutts' blog [mattcutts.com] , where you'd expect to see some discussion of this, he reports that he's writing a novel.

It's even worse at Bing. Bing emulated Google's October 27th merger of Places into web search within a few days. But they weren't ready. Look up "New York City locksmith" in Bing, and the five "Places" entries are all the same business.

Re:And that was before Google Places appeared in W (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | about 4 years ago | (#34601076)

well it would certainly be interesting if google sits on this then drops the hammer on everyone that did it,

Re:And that was before Google Places appeared in W (2)

cowtamer (311087) | about 4 years ago | (#34595056)

I hope the folks at Google start trolling the same MTurk job listings to mark down location spam for what it is...

Re:And that was before Google Places appeared in W (1)

Dhalka226 (559740) | about 4 years ago | (#34597072)

Too expensive. They should outsource it to Mechanical Turk...

Only 40%? (3, Interesting)

D J Horn (1561451) | about 4 years ago | (#34593656)

From my time exploring mturk I would have guessed it to be much higher than that, non-spam related jobs were definitely the minority of what I saw.

The creepiest (and highest paying) job I saw though involved watching surveillance footage from airports, making sure the automated face tracker stayed on target...

Fake comments, eh? (1)

noidentity (188756) | about 4 years ago | (#34594008)

This is a fake comment. A real one would have looked different.

Re:Fake comments, eh? (2)

Xaositecte (897197) | about 4 years ago | (#34595358)

So is this one [xkcd.com]

but in /. posting xkcd links automatically overcomes the filter.

Fake accounts & comments happen here too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34598994)

"I have been offered the online-perception-management services I'm talking about while managing at HP and Sourcelabs. If you are not aware of companys concern for their online perception and what they do about it, and won't take my word for it, there isn't much point in arguing about it with you." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @09:27PM (#33092398) Homepage Journal

SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33092398 [slashdot.org]


"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal

SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192 [slashdot.org]

(So given that - Do you think that "fake accounts" and "spam" or "technically unjustified mod downs" & the like in trolling posts of others that may "threaten the 'powers-that-be'" etc./et al doesn't happen on /. as it does every place else? Guess again, per the above...)


P.S.=> It's not just "malware makers" or "spam mailers" folks - Mr. Bruce Perens is also showing you that it's also done in the name of big companies as well, via "paid for trolls" in the big name companies' hire... apk

Pay only when you're satisfied with the results! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#34596508)

- Like, fuck that for a start. Seriously..

Doubtless a good idea in there, somewhere, howevah (Gramma dont need to B perfect, just enter your email here, etc.) - wading through a veritable Dantes Inferno of Spam Monkeys Inc. in search of an entertaining way of earning 35c for 30 minutes work remains, long term, No Future 4 me.

Christ, but there is some serious crap in there - whoever brought my attenton to this - Thanks 4 $haring! - feel like I need a shower in strong alcohol now.

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