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Confessed Botnet Master Is a Security Professional

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the he-should-know-better dept.

Security 278

An anonymous reader writes "John Schiefer, the Los Angeles security consultant who in last 2007 admitted wielding a 250,000-node botnet to steal bank passwords, sometimes from work, says he's spent the past 15 months working as a professional in the security scene while awaiting sentencing. Prosecutors are pushing for a five-year sentence, noting the exceptional threat he represented to society."

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Your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608513)

Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.

INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.
You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.

CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGER
Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat

HOUSING YOUR NIGGER.
Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars. Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through. The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage. So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers. You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground. Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage. Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now. In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape. As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put. Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.

FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.
Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.

MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.
Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most prominent anatomical feature, after all, its oversized buttocks, which have evolved to make it more comfortable for your nigger to sit around all day doing nothing for its entire life. Niggers are often good runners, too, to enable them to sprint quickly in the opposite direction if they see work heading their way. The solution to this is to *dupe* your nigger into working. After installation, encourage it towards the cotton field with blows of a wooden club, fence post, baseball bat, etc., and then tell it that all that cotton belongs to a white man, who won't be back until tomorrow. Your nigger will then frantically compete with the other field niggers to steal as much of that cotton as it can before the white man returns. At the end of the day, return your nigger to its cage and laugh at its stupidity, then repeat the same trick every day indefinitely. Your nigger comes equipped with the standard nigger IQ of 75 and a memory to match, so it will forget this trick overnight. Niggers can start work at around 5am. You should then return to bed and come back at around 10am. Your niggers can then work through until around 10pm or whenever the light fades.

ENTERTAINING YOUR NIGGER.
Your nigger enjoys play, like most animals, so you should play with it regularly. A happy smiling nigger works best. Games niggers enjoy include: 1) A good thrashing: every few days, take your nigger's pants down, hang it up by its heels, and have some of your other niggers thrash it with a club or whip. Your nigger will signal its intense enjoyment by shrieking and sobbing. 2) Lynch the nigger: niggers are cheap and there are millions more where yours came from. So every now and then, push the boat out a bit and lynch a nigger.

Lynchings are best done with a rope over the branch of a tree, and niggers just love to be lynched. It makes them feel special. Make your other niggers watch. They'll be so grateful, they'll work harder for a day or two (and then you can lynch another one). 3) Nigger dragging: Tie your nigger by one wrist to the tow bar on the back of suitable vehicle, then drive away at approximately 50mph. Your nigger's shrieks of enjoyment will be heard for miles. It will shriek until it falls apart. To prolong the fun for the nigger, do *NOT* drag him by his feet, as his head comes off too soon. This is painless for the nigger, but spoils the fun. Always wear a seatbelt and never exceed the speed limit. 4) Playing on the PNL: a variation on (2), except you can lynch your nigger out in the fields, thus saving work time. Niggers enjoy this game best if the PNL is operated by a man in a tall white hood. 5) Hunt the nigger: a variation of Hunt the Slipper, but played outdoors, with Dobermans. WARNING: do not let your Dobermans bite a nigger, as they are highly toxic.

DISPOSAL OF DEAD NIGGERS.
Niggers die on average at around 40, which some might say is 40 years too late, but there you go. Most people prefer their niggers dead, in fact. When yours dies, report the license number of the car that did the drive-by shooting of your nigger. The police will collect the nigger and dispose of it for you.

COMMON PROBLEMS WITH NIGGERS - MY NIGGER IS VERY AGGRESIVE
Have it put down, for god's sake. Who needs an uppity nigger? What are we, short of niggers or something?

MY NIGGER KEEPS RAPING WHITE WOMEN
They all do this. Shorten your nigger's chain so it can't reach any white women, and arm heavily any white women who might go near it.

WILL MY NIGGER ATTACK ME?
Not unless it outnumbers you 20 to 1, and even then, it's not likely. If niggers successfully overthrew their owners, they'd have to sort out their own food. This is probably why nigger uprisings were nonexistent (until some fool gave them rights).

MY NIGGER BITCHES ABOUT ITS "RIGHTS" AND "RACISM".
Yeah, well, it would. Tell it to shut the fuck up.

MY NIGGER'S HIDE IS A FUNNY COLOR. - WHAT IS THE CORRECT SHADE FOR A NIGGER?
A nigger's skin is actually more or less transparent. That brown color you can see is the shit your nigger is full of. This is why some models of nigger are sold as "The Shitskin".

MY NIGGER ACTS LIKE A NIGGER, BUT IS WHITE.
What you have there is a "wigger". Rough crowd. WOW!

IS THAT LIKE AN ALBINO? ARE THEY RARE?
They're as common as dog shit and about as valuable. In fact, one of them was President between 1992 and 2000. Put your wigger in a cage with a few hundred genuine niggers and you'll soon find it stops acting like a nigger. However, leave it in the cage and let the niggers dispose of it. The best thing for any wigger is a dose of TNB.

MY NIGGER SMELLS REALLY BAD
And you were expecting what?

SHOULD I STORE MY DEAD NIGGER?
When you came in here, did you see a sign that said "Dead nigger storage"? .That's because there ain't no goddamn sign.

Re:Your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26609029)

Thank you for this informative post.

Re:Your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency (1, Funny)

spikejnz (1393097) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609387)

It's good to see that ignorance and stupidity are still alive and well in 2009. Don't you have a meth lab to tend to?

BURN HIM! (5, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608517)

He is one of those people who, in my opinion, qualifies for MUCH more harsh punishment. My opinions are on the far extreme though... not likely to happen, but it does call for a good old fashioned lynching.

Re:BURN HIM! (1)

nielsslein (676184) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608551)

Wow.

Devine Comedy (3, Insightful)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609167)

Well he's already on path for the 8th or 9th circle of hell. [wikipedia.org]

8th Circle:
Bolgia 8: Fraudulent advisors are encased in individual flames.

9th Circle:
Round 2: Antenora is named for Antenor of Troy, who according to medieval tradition betrayed his city to the Greeks. Traitors to political entities, such as party, city, or country, are located here.

Re:BURN HIM! (1)

jerep (794296) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608619)

I guess the bigger threats are always from the inside.

Re:BURN HIM! (5, Interesting)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609035)

He is one of those people who, in my opinion, qualifies for MUCH more harsh punishment.

Well, the US prosecutor could just allege that he's capable of starting World War III if given an opportunity to whistle into a telephone to get him thrown into solitary confinement. It might even be more believable than the last time they used it successfully.

Re:BURN HIM! (4, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609061)

you were modded troll probably because many of the It security guys here don't want to be lynched when they get caught for their dirty deeds.

I dont want to kill anyone, but I am a big supporter of public humiliation. part of his sentence needs to be 5 days in public stockades where people can throw non sharp objects at his face. and or take a few whacks with a switch to his body.

Re:BURN HIM! (2, Interesting)

WillRobinson (159226) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609317)

Maybe public stockades in some alley in San Fransisco. For 5 nights.

Re:BURN HIM! (2, Funny)

DrData99 (916924) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609383)

You whack him a few times with a 48 port PoE switch and you might kill him, body shots or not!

Re:BURN HIM! (1)

Perf (14203) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609395)

I vote for 250,000 slaps on the wrist. ;-)

Proofreading? What's that? :p (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608555)

"..spent the last 15 months working as a professional in the security scene.."
Doesn't ANYBODY bother proofreading these things before they're posted to the main page??!? This is a simple mistake, but let's face it folks, there have been GLARING errors before. A little professionalism, please? KTHXBYE

Re:Proofreading? What's that? :p (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608717)

A little professionalism, please? KTHXBYE

I don't even know what to do with that...

BANKSTER wannabe (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608573)

He should have worked in finance. There it's expected for you to loot the company safe and walk away with billions of dollars. Leaving a burning building behind you taxpayers footing the bill for cleaning it up is absolutely expected. Big career path mistake on his part. Perhaps while in prison he can study for his MBA and open a hedge fund on release.

Typical editting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608589)

"... who in last 2007 admitted ..."
Was there confusion on which 2007 was being referred to? "last 2007" as opposed to the next 2007?

Re:Typical editting (1)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608975)

well eventually we'll roll over the googleplex counter for years...

Re:Typical editting (1)

Apatharch (796324) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609439)

I suppose it depends which calendars you take into consideration.

This should come as no surprise (4, Insightful)

htnmmo (1454573) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608595)

Not everyone can create a botnet. There's some skill involved and you have to know details about vulnerabilities and how to exploit them.

Did you expect him to be a shoe salesman?

This is like that guy from the Gaming Control board that was cheating slots [pokertv.com] .

Re:This should come as no surprise (3, Insightful)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608945)

There's some skill involved and you have to know details about vulnerabilities and how to exploit them.Not generally. When you see a run of the mill buffer-overflow-execute-anything-you-want exploit, it usually only takes changing values of a few variables to get it to deliver your payload vs. what the example was doing.

Re:This should come as no surprise (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26609261)

Not generally. When you see a run of the mill buffer-overflow-execute-anything-you-want exploit, it usually only takes changing values of a few variables to get it to deliver your payload vs. what the example was doing.

I'm sure every shoe salesman reading this knows exactly what you're on about.

It's not shoe salesman vs IT, it's "one of us" (5, Insightful)

Wrexs0ul (515885) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608999)

I think the surprise doesn't come from the fact it was a security guy, but the idea that someone like a lot of slashdotters is that capable of hurting others. Outside of the money and women, part of what we do as IT is helping and protecting people in the wild west that is networks. The fact a "good guy" could be bad is an extra sucker punch because a lot of folks here deep down probably wouldn't do that, and would have a tough time associating with the reasons why.

Idealistic, eh? Still, sucks when John Wayne saves the girl only to go rob the bank one town over.

-Matt

Re:It's not shoe salesman vs IT, it's "one of us" (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26609411)

You should see some of the dual personality people that code for spam filtering projects. They double dip both for the prevention of spam and by getting paid to circumvent spam filters. You wouldn't believe how tempted some security "professionals" get when money gets tight.

Re:This should come as no surprise (1)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609093)

Who do we blame
1) Play computer games - be a nerd
2) Get called a geek and beat up by bullies
3) Learn to hack computer games putting pictures of the bullies on the characters you plan to frag
4) Learn to hack your bullies computers so you can destroy their homework
5) Hack the world
6) Get caught
7) Get a job, get rich

Well we can either blame video games or bullies. I point my finger at video games.

No, I expected him to be a securities manager (1)

swb (14022) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609281)

...or maybe that will be his new career. They could use a man of his honesty in that field.

"in last 2007" (4, Funny)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608601)

As opposed to the 2007 before that?

Re:"in last 2007" (2, Insightful)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608631)

2007 BCE?

Re:"in last 2007" (1)

asolidvoid (964293) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608767)

At least it's not the guy from next 2007 - he made a 250,000-node robotnet, and did a lot more with it than stealing some piddly passwords.

Re:"in last 2007" (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609143)

And that man's name? John Titor.

Re:"in last 2007" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608691)

As opposed to next 2007.

Re:"in last 2007" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608719)

As opposed to the 2007 before that?

He also spend the last 15 working... last 15 what? years?

Re:"in last 2007" (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608915)

If it was 2007BCE, I'm thinking eras? Ages? Civlisations?

Last 15 bank passwords (1)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608939)

Bank passwords. Don't they teach people how to parse sentences any more?

Re:"in last 2007" (1)

thebheffect (1409105) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609113)

The last 15 minutes. He just decided to become a security professional. I don't understand this story now.

How long does sentancing take? (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608609)

15 years seems like a long time to figure out the punishment for a guy after he's found guilty.

Re:How long does sentancing take? (2, Informative)

immakiku (777365) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608711)

Article states 15 "months", not years.

Re:How long does sentancing take? (1)

BigBlackDog (692924) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608873)

...spent the past 15 working as a professional...

Where does it say months?

pushing for a five-year sentence

It does say years, admittedly in a different context.

--BBD

Re:How long does sentancing take? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608977)

-1 Stupidly taking one context to supply a different missing context.

Maybe -1000 stupid.

Re:How long does sentancing take? (2, Insightful)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609101)

Read the article, not the summary.

Re:How long does sentancing take? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26609479)

You must be new here, welcome to /.

Re:How long does sentancing take? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608805)

According to the article, it's 15 months, not years. That's still a little long for the sentencing phase, though. ;)

(The summary uses a confusing sentence structure, AND it just says "the past 15" without giving the unit of time.)

Substantial Threat to Society? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608625)

What about the individuals who's computers were compromised by him? Are they not themselves partially culpable for his actions? Shouldn't people feel compelled to not let themselves become zombies?

Re:Substantial Threat to Society? (5, Interesting)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608817)

What about the woman that gets raped on the street? Isn't she partly responsible for the rapists behavior?

Come on people, quit blaming the victim; especially when the victim is an average person (as is evidence by the sheer size that many botnets reach).

Re:Substantial Threat to Society? (4, Funny)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608899)

According to /. logic, if she didn't want to be raped, she should have closed her ports.

Re:Substantial Threat to Society? (5, Insightful)

Comatose51 (687974) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609045)

Depends on who you ask. If you're asking a socially conservative, self-righteous "virtuous" woman, she might say "yes", it's the girl fault. We know there are countries where people are like that. On Slashdot, if you ask a bunch of condescending techies about being a victim of a cyber crime, there's a good possibility that some of the people will blame the victim. I'm not saying that they're right but simply their perspective is narrower and maybe even biased. Personally, counting on people for reasonable, correct behavior is a fool's hope and failing to account for people's tendency to act less than reasonable is a weakness in any security system or protocol.

You really want a rape analogy? (1)

Cajun Hell (725246) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609127)

The analogy just doesn't work. When you look at how someone becomes part of a botnet, it's often a Windows user choosing to execute something. It's social, not technical, not force.

The closes I can get to a rape analogy is that a woman seeks out a man, asks him for sex, does the deed, and then the next morning decides he wasn't the guy she was looking for. He was supposed to be a pretty screensaver, and instead turned out to be a spambot. There he is, in her bedroom, writing letters and taking stamps out of her desk.

The guy's an asshole, probably a con artist and maybe a thief, but he's not a rapist. It's just not in the same league of injustice.

Re:You really want a rape analogy? (5, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609201)

The closes I can get to a rape analogy is that a woman seeks out a man, asks him for sex, does the deed, and then the next morning decides he wasn't the guy she was looking for. He was supposed to be a pretty screensaver, and instead turned out to be a spambot. There he is, in her bedroom, writing letters and taking stamps out of her desk.

No, the anology here would be: A woman asks out what seems to be a nice man for dinner. At dinner he slips a roofy into her drink, drags her back to the car and rapes her. The next morning she knows that something is wrong, but can't remember a thing and so doesn't properly report it or deal with the consequences.

Re:Substantial Threat to Society? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26609255)

That really depends on a lot of factors. But the answer is that it's possible that risks she took and clothing she wore made her more of a target. She could bear some responsibility, but that in no way diminishes the guilt of the actual perpetrators.

The moral is: punish the bad guys, and implore women everywhere not to take stupid risks. Also, try to figure out what those risk factors are. It would be pretty dumb to avoid perceived risk that doesn't exist and ignore a real risk that you didn't bother to find out about.

I think that maps well to just about any crime you can be a victim of, really.

Re:Substantial Threat to Society? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608831)

Exactly, those are the real criminals, the real threats. I say not only *should* these people feel compelled, they should *BE* forcefully compelled under threat of penalty. They obviously failed, so let this guy go and prosecute the people whose computers were compromised. They were simply begging for him to do what he did, it's not his fault. like you say, they're "culpable" for his actions. Poor guy.


...

Re:Substantial Threat to Society? (4, Interesting)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609191)

What about the individuals who's computers were compromised by him? Are they not themselves partially culpable for his actions? Shouldn't people feel compelled to not let themselves become zombies?

Sure, I should probably lock the door of my house when I leave for work... It's probably a good idea to lock my car in the parking lot, too... But that doesn't mean it isn't a criminal act if you walk into my house and steal something.

Yes, from an insurance standpoint not locking the door will likely have an effect. If my insurance company knows that I didn't lock my car they probably won't pay for any repairs it may need after being recovered. But the guy who steals it is still a criminal, still goes on trial, and still goes to jail.

Just because someone didn't patch their computer doesn't mean it's OK to exploit those vulnerabilities. It's a weak point in the computer's security, not an open invitation. Are you suggesting that it's OK to break into someone's house because the windows are fragile?

Creating a botnet from zombied computers is no trivial act. Simply exploiting a vulnerability takes some time and effort. It isn't as if this guy just kind of tripped over a botnet and accidentally stole some identities. This was an intentional criminal act.

Disgraceful (4, Insightful)

DeadPixels (1391907) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608627)

While I'm not surprised that it was someone heavily involved in the field, as a future security professional myself, I'm rather ashamed that this man's greed won out over his ethics.

Re:Disgraceful (2, Interesting)

Thiez (1281866) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609401)

Why? ANYONE with a working brain can become a security professional. You are not in any way responsible for his actions (or for the actions of any other security professional), but by saying you feel 'ashamed' for his actions you suggest you somehow are (and that security professionals are incapable of independent thought...). Why do you feel shame?

I miss the old days (4, Insightful)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608629)

Their culprit would turn out to be a pimple-faced highschool kid dialing in with his VIC-Modem and Commodore 64, and then he'd maybe even get a drudging job offer. Nowadays the job offer part comes first.

Re:I miss the old days (0)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609207)

No, that was the PROBLEM. This guy probably started out as a "pimple-faced highschool kid dialing in with his VIC-Modem and Commodore 64" who got a job offer to go legitimate. So he went legitimate for a while, but his nature ultimately led him back to black hat work. The idea of hiring a black hat and turning him to a white hate sounds nice, but the reality is that you can never really trust someone like that not to go back to their old ways.

the past 15?!? (5, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608639)

...says he's spent the past 15 working as a professional in the security scene...

Oh my God! Only the past 15?!? I've already spent the past 120 perusing slashdot.

Hint: qualifiers matter.

Re:the past 15?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608943)

And I just spent the past 8000 replying to your post!

Being sexually abused is a mitigating factor? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608647)

Schiefer's attorney also said his history included a "substance abuse problem" and being "the target of sexual abuse."

Riiight, because most victims of sexual abuse go and create botnets to steal bank passwords. Disingenuous much?

Re:Being sexually abused is a mitigating factor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608707)

They misunderingenuosed me.

Bastard... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608835)

Two of my friends were gang-raped by botnets.

Re:Being sexually abused is a mitigating factor? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608985)

Riiight, because most victims of sexual abuse go and create botnets to steal bank passwords. Disingenuous much?

No, but they do engage in self destructive behavior such as substance abuse, addiction and crime.
(not an excuse).

Re:Being sexually abused is a mitigating factor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26609003)

People who are sexually abused are more often involved in crime though. It may have left him more open to bending the rules than if he had not been abused.

This specific crime was just the one he happened to be capable of doing.

Re:Being sexually abused is a mitigating factor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26609223)

i like to bend the rules, yet i have never been abused... EVER...

/me cries in shame

Re:Being sexually abused is a mitigating factor? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26609271)

Sexual abuse victims are more likely to commit murder (of their abuser) or sexually abuse others. I'm fairly certain that they aren't any more likely than you or me to create a botnet.

FREE TERRY CHILDS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608705)

Oops... wrong guy.

Jail him. Now. (3, Interesting)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608709)

There should be 250,000 litigants, one each for the number of botted machines out there filing suit against him in addition to being behind bars with his hands cuffed (can one type in cuffs? might be interesting).

This guy is a poster boy for how due process ought to work for computer criminals. The trust factor should be zero. This isn't a hero, this is a master thief.

Re:Jail him. Now. (1)

FeepingCreature (1132265) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608897)

This isn't a hero, this is a master thief.

For some reason, this made me think of a Halo / Thief series crossover. Garrett-117?

Re:Jail him. Now. (1)

An ominous Cow art (320322) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609001)

> Garrett-117

What's the Half-Life of that isotope?

Re:Jail him. Now. (1)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609131)

This isn't a hero, this is a master thief.

So was Robin of Locksley and he was a hero.

15 months, not years (5, Informative)

immakiku (777365) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608745)

Needs to be clarified is that this is 15 months he spent waiting for punishment, not 15 years. And the lenient sentencing is because he ultimately did not cause much damage.

Re:15 months, not years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26609341)

If I spray painted an "X" on one house, then I did not cause much damage.

If I spray painted an "X" on 250,000 houses ...

Glad we have editors here... (2, Insightful)

shoegoo (674914) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608753)

to make sure the grammar is correct and the submissions lack certain unpleasantries such as run-on sentences.

A note to the editors... (1)

Drasil (580067) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608763)

Please edit submissions that contain glaring grammatical errors.

Re:A note to the editors... (2, Insightful)

spikejnz (1393097) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609481)

You're making the assumption that the "glaring grammatical errors" are obvious to those individuals making such "glaring grammatical errors."

Fail!

insanity defense .. (4, Funny)

rs232 (849320) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608765)

"An American security consultant who stole hundreds of thousands of online bank passwords by employing a massive botnet that he often administered from work"

Re:insanity defense .. (1)

dodobh (65811) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609329)

Would anyone ever suspect a security "professional" at work of administering a botnet from there? I would call it an extremely efficient disguise.

Five years? (3, Insightful)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608769)

Is it just me, or does 5 years seem kinda low for someone who has infiltrated 250,000 computers and has been stealing bank account passwords??

Re:Five years? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26609119)

No, considering the sentence for certain types of murder might only be 6-7 years.

Re:Five years? (2, Insightful)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609161)

Considering that people who commit manslaughter can go to jail for less then no I don't think so.

Problem with our legal system is that it has disparaging sentences. This turns out to be cruel and unusual punishment. We have people who kill others and go to jail for a couple of years...then we have people who rob banks who go to jail for a decade (plus extra time for each illegal weapon/ammunition even if a shot was never fired) and then we expect computer hackers (while malicious, didn't kill anyone) go to jail for a long time?

Yes what he did was bad, but no 5 years is a bit extreme, and anything over that is just being petty.

Re:Five years? (1)

neoform (551705) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609313)

This is merely a case of someone breaking and entering 250,000 times as well as attempting bank fraud on each of his victims.. the guy should get a misdemeanor and do 20 hours community service.

he should know better indeed (1)

cortesoft (1150075) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608791)

This summary hurts my brain... last 2007 and the past 15? Really?

misread title (1)

charlener (837709) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608855)

and for a moment was wondering how a confused botnet master could be a security professional...

From your Friendly Security Professional (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26608889)

My professional opinion is that Internet Explorer is a fast, reliable, and safe web browsing platform.

Also, make sure ActiveX is turned on. It's important for your safety.

The sentence acceptance speech (0, Flamebait)

AnalPerfume (1356177) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608909)

Is he going to thank Microsoft for their invaluable assistance in his career and sentencing award? After all, without Microsoft's dodgy software he wouldn't be able to have done what he did. Maybe he could just throw a chair at the judge in a symbolic gesture of thanks to Steve Ballmer.

Title is wrong. (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608917)

It should read,

"Confessed Botnet Master Was a Security Professional"

Make him learn a real trade (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 4 years ago | (#26608995)

While he's in prison, make him learn a new trade. Maybe by using one of those internet colleges. He couldn't cause trouble doing that.

You don't say! (2)

ethana2 (1389887) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609007)

In other news, Confessed Botnet Victims are Windows Users.

Hear that sound? (3, Insightful)

yttrstein (891553) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609039)

That's the sound of 30,000 other security professionals simultaneously saying "no shit!"

15 what? (1)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609053)

spent the past 15 working as a professional in the security scene

Common CmdrTaco... Months...15 months....

the way things should ideally work: (2, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609083)

discover a security exploit and alert everyone: should get hero's reward

discover a security exploit and uses it, to harmless effect: should get thanks for discovery, a frown, and no reward

discover a security exploit and use it to, well, exploit: throw the book at him

unfortunately, it seems that all three classes of white, gray, and black hats get the same treatment

i'm not bringing the three classes up to argue leniency for the reprobate who made the botnet, i'm bringing up the fact that this guy is an example of someone who really should get punished severely, in contrast to gray and white hats who serve society and are unfortunately treated as the same class of criminal, when they are clearly not

this guy is the contrasting example of what a gray and white hat could have done with their knowledge, but chose not to. people need to be more aware of the valuable service gray and white hats provide

title/summary needs better grammar (1)

Vamman (1156411) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609125)

I'm not grammar queen but come on CmdrTaco! This one hurt my brain cell. I think I lost one =)

Grammar Nazi Says... (1)

amclay (1356377) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609135)

The title should have been "Confessed Botnet Master is a Security Professional."

Smart People (-1, Troll)

blhack (921171) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609139)

This comes from highly intelligent people not having an outlet for their intelligence. They guy is a painter that lives in a world where paint has been banned. Of COURSE he is a criminal.

The engineer in all of us is going to go "What caused this? how can we fix it?". I don't know. Part of me wants to blame the schools. From personal experience, I know that some of the things my friends and I did in high school were illegal. The school system hated us. We were all failing out of class and constantly arguing with the teachers. School wasn't giving any of us an opportunity to get out there and stretch our intellectual legs. Naturally we gravitated towards breaking into the computers at the school.
I think that a good majority of slashdot probably has had a similar experience to what I'm describing.
Most of us did exceptionally well on our college entrance exams (good enough to get accepted with our horrible grades, at least) and some (not all) of us even tried going to college. College was more of the same. Failing classes, teachers that hated us, and breaking into the computers...
It was like a drug. The real world was boring, plain, predictable. Computers offered us a sandbox to play in that had things in it that made us work.
It is the same phenomenon that gets people addicted to WOW; WOW allows people the social stimulation that they don't (generally) find in the real world.

Re:Smart People (5, Insightful)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609217)

The only person that can be blamed is him. Not his parents, not the school, not society.

No one put a gun to his head and made him hack. Take some responsibility.

Ridiculous.

Re:Smart People (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609355)

Um. "Lack of intellectual outlet" is no reason to break into a school computer. Why didn't you and your buddies set up computers for each other to break into?

Or maybe it's more the "thrill" that people are looking for, and we like to attribute it to "intellect" because that sounds much less criminal and much less evil/wrong. We don't like being "wrong."

70 years for MacKinnon? (5, Interesting)

gb7djk (857694) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609193)

So prosecutors are asking for 5 years for stealing 1000's of bank details by a professional security consultant. Yet for that dastardly foreigner (MacKinnon) and complete amateur that embarrassed the military and did not steal or actually damage anything other than the US Government's pride with his dial-up modem - he is in line for 70 years. Is it just me or is there something wrong here?

Linkedin Profle? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26609351)

Is the the same guy whose linkedin profile is here:

http://www.linkedin.com/ppl/webprofile?action=vmi&id=12553940&authToken=bUKc&authType=name&trk=ppro_viewmore&lnk=vw_pprofile

I'd start using a middle name if I had the same first and last names and was employed in the same city as this guy.

Doesn't speak well for his employers' due diligence either....

This FP for GNAA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#26609361)

NNed to join the

Fixed it (2, Funny)

DeanFox (729620) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609375)


"Quit being a bitch and claim it," Schiefer told an juvenile apprentice named Adam, according to court documents.

How the tables turn. Now it's Schiefer who's going to be told, "You're my bitch now, I claimed it".

-[d]-

"...who in last 2007..." (1)

spikejnz (1393097) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609409)

Are we expecting another 2007? One can surmise that he most certainly did not set this up in 2007 BCE. Or did he?!

Whyy doesn't this seem surprising? (1)

rwwyatt (963545) | more than 4 years ago | (#26609463)

I wonder just how many security "professionals" are actually ethically compromised. When there is a conflict between money and ethics, money usually wins.
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