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James Gosling Appointed to the Order of Canada

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 7 years ago | from the make-the-bad-man-stop dept.

Java 191

Andrija Ifkovic writes "James Gosling, the creator of Java language and a VP of Sun has been appointed to the Order of Canada. 'The Order of Canada recognizes outstanding lifetime achievement and contributions to society and the country by Canadians from all walks of life.' This is the highest honor Canada can bestow upon its citizens."

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Why Gosling? (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101146)


Why is James Gosling is receiving the OoC?
I was just looking through the Java source and it says "// Author: Joyce Hatto"

Explaining jokes is the best way to ruin them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101544)

What, no money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101726)

If "the best that Canada can offer" is just recognition sans cash, then obviously they can easily create a "higher" award. After all, one reason so many scientists want to win a Nobel prize is that the accompanying cash is quite a chunk.

Honor isn't measured in dollars (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101892)

It doesn't say "the best that Canada can offer", it says "the highest honor Canda can bestow". Maybe your honor system uses dollars as its measure, but Canada's does not.

Re:Honor isn't measured in dollars (1)

xingix (601512) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102682)

You mean "honour" ;-)

Re:Honor isn't measured in dollars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18102922)

Damn it xingix, everyone knows French Canadians are neither Canadian nor French! :-P

There is only one group that hates the French Canadians worse than the (real) Canadians. And that's the French!

Re:Why Gosling? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18102652)

Hey, grub. I just took a shit! It smells just about as good as most Java code. And the texture, it resembles Java code, too!

It was really difficult to get out. It took me about 15 or 20 minutes. Hey! That's how long it takes for the JVM to run a console-based "Hello World!" program! It also consumed all of my energy, just as a tiny Swing app consumes all of a computer's CPU. In terms of size, it was nearly as big as the memory consumption of that tiny Swing app: FUCKING HUGE!

Grub, I can't wait for my Order of Canada!

Highest Honor (5, Funny)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101156)

Highest honor? Bah! Stanley Cup tickets are the highest honor that can be bestoyed upon any real Canadian.

Re:Highest Honor (1)

dazilla (647166) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101222)

That's only true if there's a Canadian team in the finals.

Re:Highest Honor (2, Insightful)

hey (83763) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101818)

Almost. The highest honoUr is the Stanley Cup itself.

Couldn't give the OoC to a better person (2, Funny)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101194)

Can you blame them?

Re:Couldn't give the OoC to a better person (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102598)

``Can you blame them?''

I wouldn't put is as strongly as "blame", but I think Java is only a mediocre programming language. It sure did a lot of good for the world, but it also continues to hold back certain advancements, not to mention soak up a lot of time and energy (in development, research, press coverage, discussions) that could (IMO) be spent better elsewhere.

If we're going to hand out awards for people for having worked on programming languages, I would rather suggest Guy Steele [wikipedia.org] , who has contributed to FORTRAN, Lisp (the two earliest programming languages), Scheme, Common Lisp, C, JavaScript, and ... Java. I don't know how far these contributions reach, except that they are substantial in the case of Scheme (Steele co-designed the language and wrote numerous papers about it).

Re:Couldn't give the OoC to a better person (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102904)

Well... the Wikipedia page you link to mentions Steele was born in Missouri, USA.

So unless he changes citizenship, he's most likely ineligible for this particular award.

Re:Couldn't give the OoC to a better person (1)

Goblez (928516) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102934)

Riiiiiight. Java isn't worth while but Scheme and Lisp are. And you have Javascript in there! Talk about holding back advancements and soaking up time and energy. Apparently nobody has told you enough Car and Cdr jokes.

*Disclaimer, I know all of the languages listed above.

Re:Couldn't give the OoC to a better person (3, Interesting)

WGR (32993) | more than 7 years ago | (#18103436)

There are several Canadians who have also developed programming languages of greater significance the Java, which is a derivative of C/C++ so not completely original.

Ken Iverson, who created the APL language, was a Canadian. He was giving the ACM Turing award for this, but never received the Order of Canada.

Tim Bray, one of the main developers of XML, is also a Canadian.

Rob Pike, developer of Plan9 and Inferno, and creator of many Unix utilities, is also Canadian

Brian Kernighan, co=developer of AWK and co-author of "The C Programming Language" book is also Canadian.

There are even more.

Yeah, yeah, we see you up there... (4, Funny)

RumGunner (457733) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101196)

Look everybody, Canada is a country too! They have awards and everything!

Re:Yeah, yeah, we see you up there... (5, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101516)

> Look everybody, Canada is a country too! They have awards and everything!

It's not even a real VM anyway.

Re:Yeah, yeah, we see you up there... (4, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101590)

Argh. How many times do I have to say it - just because it's in Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] doesn't mean it really exists!

eh? (-1, Flamebait)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101202)

Perhaps the rest of us should be awarded the Order of Canada for having to write code in that crappy language!

Have any other language authors been recognised by this Order?

Re:eh? (1, Funny)

AP2k (991160) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101264)

How many other language inventors are Canadian?

For making Java, he should have been deported, though.

Another award. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101216)

I bestow on him the Jimmy Wankel award.

This is the highest award that Jimmy can give citizens! Huzzah!

Re:Another award. (1)

Frequency Domain (601421) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101326)

You misspelled "wanker".

Congrats (4, Interesting)

FreeKill (1020271) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101218)

While the Order of Canada is indeed prestigious to Canadian citizens, it's sometimes hard to take it 100% seriously as a huge honor when Bob and Doug Mackenzie (Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis) also received the same reward for their "contributions to Canadian Culture"

Re:Congrats (2, Funny)

delirium28 (641609) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101290)

Take off, eh! You hoser! Bob and Doug rock, and Strange Brew was one of the best cult films in Canadian history.

Re:Congrats (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101300)

While the Order of Canada is indeed prestigious to Canadian citizens, it's sometimes hard to take it 100% seriously as a huge honor when Bob and Doug Mackenzie (Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis) also received the same reward for their "contributions to Canadian Culture"

Why don't you first strip Mick Jagger of his knighthood and then we'll talk about taking things seriously.

Re:Congrats (2, Interesting)

Jack Action (761544) | more than 7 years ago | (#18103504)

Or giving Louis L'Amour the Congressional Gold Medal and the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Re:Congrats (1)

D-Cypell (446534) | more than 7 years ago | (#18103514)

Why don't you first strip Mick Jagger of his knighthood and then we'll talk about taking things seriously.

Are you kidding? Mick deserves his knighthood more than most, I mean the guy is what... 63 years old and he still gets more action than the entire slashdot membership combined.

In my opinion, the big question is why we don't have 'Sir Ozzy Osbourne' yet! The guy is a national treasure.

Re:Congrats (4, Insightful)

Keith Russell (4440) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101598)

Yeah, because comedy can't possibly contribute anything to a culture, ya hoser.

Re:Congrats (1)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101732)

Not to mention Rush.

Not really... (2, Interesting)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102208)

They are entertainers...and the characters are pretty funny. I don't think that, just because thier characters are buffoons means they are less talented or deserving.

Case in point: I don't think anyone would question the talents of Peter Sellers, yet Inspector Clueso is far more of a buffoon then either of the two.

Re:Congrats (1)

ajjfk (11756) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102936)

"it's sometimes hard to take it 100% seriously as a huge honor" It is a huge honour in Canada.

Bob & Doug *not* members of Order of Canada (4, Informative)

gvc (167165) | more than 7 years ago | (#18103136)

Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis do not appear on and list of Members, Officers, or Companions of the Order of Canada [wikipedia.org] .

Here's an independent confirmation [canadianshakespeares.ca] : Although it has been written in various places that Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas received the Order of Canada for their contribution to Canadian culture, a phone call to Rideau Hall revealed that they were not members of the Order of Canada.

Blame Canada! (3, Funny)

joe90 (48497) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101240)

So now we get to blame Canada for Java too? Woohoo! Is there nothing they are not at fault for?

Re:Blame Canada! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101414)

Is there nothing they are not at fault for?


Dangling prepositions. That's all you.

"Write once... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101268)

run anywhere."

Re:"Write once... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18102190)

That's France not Canada

Spelling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101274)

shouldn't that read: This is the highest honour Canada can bestow upon its citizens? Come one let's use the Canadian spelling, eh.

Re:Spelling (1)

Aos (24560) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101784)

I submitted it. I did actually use "honour" but my submission was shorter than above (I never submitted anything before). The editor correctly added the description of the award, and in the process changed the spelling - I'm guessing here.

Canadian stealth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101286)

First they gave us William Shatner, now Java. Is there any evil to which those accursed Canadians will not stoop?

Re:Canadian stealth (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101352)

Celine Dion.

You're welcome

Re:Canadian stealth (1)

_lost_ca (586053) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101388)

Don't forget Celine Dion!

Glad she's out of here!

Pamela Anderson too (4, Funny)

Erioll (229536) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101394)

Pam's from up here. At least we're not responsible for Anna though. Only the USA could produce a trainwreck of that magnitude.

Re:Pamela Anderson too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101626)

Dear Sir, you are an asshat. Sincerely, your Southern Neighbor

Re:Pamela Anderson too (4, Insightful)

danpsmith (922127) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101722)

Pam's from up here. At least we're not responsible for Anna though. Only Texas could produce a trainwreck of that magnitude.

There, fixed that for you.

That would explain "Dubya" (2, Funny)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102228)

man...I'm crushing my Karma with political commentary today :(

Re:That would explain "Dubya" (3, Insightful)

multisync (218450) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102636)

I thought "Dubya" was born in Connecticut.

Re:Pamela Anderson too (1)

Darth (29071) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102978)

Only Texas could produce a trainwreck of that magnitude.

everywhere has trainwrecks of that magnitude. The difference for Texas is that we have so many hot women, our trainwrecks have a shot at appearing in Playboy.
Remember also that nobody heard of her before Hefner (a Californian, or Chicagoan if you want to go by birth place) decided to make her famous. If that had not happened she would have been just another batshit insane stripper in houston that nobody knew existed.

Re:Canadian stealth (1)

Minwee (522556) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102086)

Well, there was Jim Carrey. And Keanu Reeves.

But that was just on a dare. We didn't think anyone would take that seriously.

Re:Canadian stealth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18102238)

Don't forget Celine Dion >:)

You Oughtta Know (0, Offtopic)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102326)

People often accuse Americans of not getting irony. But the best example of not-getting-irony is Alanis Morisette's "Ironic", and she's Canadian.

And isn't that ironic? Don't you think?
It's like raaaaaiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnn on your wedding day....

Well, except that rain on your wedding day isn't ironic, but I think that was my point. Anyway, we can blame Canada for that too.

Re:You Oughtta Know (1)

rgravina (520410) | more than 7 years ago | (#18103246)

What has always amazed me about that song is nobody who would have been with her when was producing it (practicing with the band, recording at a studio etc.) stopped her and said, "Ah, Alanis... well.. um... about that Ironic song, well..." or maybe everyone agreed not to tell her as some kind of practical joke. Maybe they even reaffirmed her beliefs by saying something like this:

Techie: "Two faulty mic cables in as many days! Isn't that ironic, Alanis, don't you think?"
Alanis: "Yeah, it's like rain on your wedding day. Or that good advice that you just didn't take!"
Techie: "Exactly!"

Re:Canadian stealth (1)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102790)

Basketball...

No!!11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101304)

I just wish this would have been given to the mafiAA people lobbying in Canada. I just hate that Canada has monopoly on releasegroups just because there are favorable laws in their country. That is like if only some countries would have, say poker sites, then that would piss every other coutry off and they might ban poker to make money stay domestic.

If that continues coutries might just start banning piracy!

The creator of Java gets OoC? (-1, Troll)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101334)

They should have given it to the president of the CSA [stutter.ca] : they too have developed a slow language...

He'll always be the Gosling Emacs guy to me. grrr (1)

mkcmkc (197982) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101426)

Not as bad as the Bitkeeper guy, nor probably even the CDDB guy, but still--grrr...

An award (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101510)

If I would give James Gosling any kind of award it would be the award for setting computer science back 20 years with Java. I've never met a good programmer who liked Java. Many people are tempted by it's many frameworks (all similar yet buggy and incompatible).

The Java language is really the COBOL of the new millenium. It has become a defacto standard for business app type software with hoardes of unskilled engineers pounding out piles of the stuff. Which I suppose is at least good for the industry in two ways. First, even on modern hardware Java is insanely slow. Second it guarantees maintenance work for the next 30 years of "coupon processing" code.

Re:An award (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101640)

The Java language is really the COBOL of the new millenium.
I have to disagree....


COBOL is way better than Java.

Re:An award (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101720)

You are right. My bad.

My favorite Java incident was when the lead manager of the Java admin part of a rather complex embedded system I was the lead engineer on (but told to use Java for our admin interface) said "testing filed a memory leak against my code, it can't be, Java is garbage collected."

Yes, but in some GUI history object holding a reference to some 4MB "temporary" working data structure x 100 past history entries is a memory leak (especially in 1997). The constant excuse that garbage collection excuses programmers from proper lifetime/resource management really chapps my ass.

Now, where did I put that chapstick for my ass....

Re:An award (4, Interesting)

ADRA (37398) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102494)

1. Well written Java programs aren't slow
2. Poor programmers don't know how to optimize their code to run well
3. Java makes it easy for even poor programmers to do their job

Take these three statements and you have your truth on Java. Any single piece of code can be made to grind your system to a halt. Its nothing special to Java, but since the only client-side Java apps you've been exposed to are apparently ass, then you'll never know.

What Java and any other modern high level language allows for are people who aren't necessarily the best programmers to still do their jobs. Do I see you wanting to go out and build business apps, or are you more likely to make super-cool widget X? Since you're choosing to do the more interesting widget, someone's left to build that business app. If all there were only 'good' programmers in our industry, only a very very few things would ever be done. Since we don't live in that world, we have to make less optimal programmers as effective as possible.

At last, People's Republic of Canuckistan (0, Flamebait)

Neon Aardvark (967388) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101636)

It's aboot time he recieved this, eh.

Freedom Medal (5, Insightful)

javamann (410973) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101656)

As opposed to our 'Freedom Medal' which you get if you really fu*k up badly.

Canadian Goose? Gosling? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101704)

That's TOO much of a coincidence!!! :-)

Canada? yeah right (-1, Troll)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101756)

Don't you mean, "This is the highest honor Great Britain can bestow upon its Canadian subjects." From the article:

James Gosling, a vice-president of Sun Microsystems Inc. of Santa Clara, Calif., has been named an officer of the Order of Canada, the office of the Governor General announced on Monday.

Besides, the guy only got the rank of Officer in the Order. You'd think that the Queen would consider inventing Java as worthy of the rank of Companion. When will Canada grow up and become a real nation, and ditch that foreigner that's on their money?

Re:Canada? yeah right (4, Funny)

Phrogman (80473) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101986)

Well, no. See for well over a century we have been an independant country up here in Canada. Yes, we are still a member of the Commonwealth (along with a lot of other countries you might know like Australia and New Zealand etc), and the Queen is still a symbolic head of the Commonwealth, but we are a completely independant country with our own Constitution, Laws and everything. In practice the Queen has zero political power in Canada, its all symbolic and traditional nothing more. Thus we have our own awards.

The thing is, most of us don't see that as a bad thing, whereas you US folks have this pre-conditioned distrust of Royalty for some unfathomable reason - probably something to do with that whole "Tea" issue in Boston way back when. I admit it, the King made a mistake back then OK?. If you would just get over that though, I am sure we could let you back into the Commonwealth :)

Re:Canada? yeah right or is it UK? (3, Insightful)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102112)

Well, no. See for well over a century we have been an independent country up here in Canada.

Not only that, but unlike the US, Canada has equal rights for women, permits gay marriages, and solved the whole abortion debate decades ago.

Plus, they have Nelly Furtado. Think about it ...

And, at one point, I happened to be away from my Army unit on back-to-back training courses when the Queen visited - and so was the only member of my unit not to have a medal from that visit. Dang.

Re:Canada? yeah right (-1, Troll)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102168)

Who's the head of state of Canada? "We have our own awards"...nope! This award is bestowed by the Queen (actually her underling in Canada). Get rid of this ridiculous heriditary dictatorship and become a republic, for chrissake.

Re:Canada? yeah right (1)

abigor (540274) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102328)

Sure, just as soon as you guys finally get around to separating church and state.

Re:Canada? yeah right (1)

dadragon (177695) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102356)

Who's the head of state of Canada?

Um... The Queen of Canada.

Re:Canada? yeah right (1)

archen (447353) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102722)

Fun fact: When the Queen of England leaves Britain and is on Canadian soil, she IS the queen of Canada. Take the parliament tour in Ottawa; It's pretty interesting.

Re:Canada? yeah right (1)

leoc (4746) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102826)

Why?


There is NO compelling or practical reason to dump the queen as a symbolic head of state. And no, being disrespected by someone on the internets is no reason to throw your entire country's history away.

Re:Canada? yeah right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18102872)

I believe that should be,

"Get rid of this ridiculous heriditary dictatorship and become a corrupt republic, for chrissake."

The commonwealth countries are democracies and ..

democracies > Republics :P

Re:Canada? yeah right (1)

Tuffsnake (767507) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102206)

"...you US folks have this pre-conditioned distrust of Royalty for some unfathomable reason..."

I believe the reason was taxation w/ out representation....

Re:Canada? yeah right (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18102342)

See for well over a century we have been an independant country up here in Canada.

Not really. The right for civil court appeals to the UK Privy Council ended in 1949.

Canada wasn't independent until the 1980s when Trudeau repatriated the constitution from the UK. Prior to that, the UK parliament could amend Canada's constitution whenever they felt like it. If Canada wanted changes to their constitution, they had to ask the UK parliament to do it for them, because they lacked the legal power to do so.

Currently, there is no legal relationship between the UK & Canadian governments, aside from having the same head of state (the Queen).

Re:Canada? yeah right (1)

QuantumFlux (228693) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102556)

If you would just get over that though, I am sure we could let you back into the Commonwealth :)
Technically, only the first 13 original US states could be admitted to the Commonwealth, as they were the only part of the US to ever be governed by the Crown. Unfortunately, Article I of the Constitution forbids individual states from entering into treaties or confederacies, so the US Constitution would have to be amended to allow it to happen.

Re:Canada? yeah right (3, Informative)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102586)

In practice the Queen has zero political power in Canada, its all symbolic and traditional nothing more.

In day to day practise yes, but in truth the Governor General and in turn the Queen do have some very important political power. The powers that the GG (and the Queen) hold are part of the checks and balances of government in Canada preventing an "unscrupulous Prime Minister" from doing too much harm.

The GG (as the representative of the head of state) and the head of state (currently the Queen, but will be a King) are the only ones allowed to dissolve parliament and call an election. The Prime Minister is not allowed. The GG also gives Royal Ascent to new laws. By tradition the GG will dissolve parliament and pass Royal Ascent when the Prime Minister asks so that a new federal election can be called and new laws can come into effect. Theoretically the Queen (by way of the GG in Canada and other commonwealth nations) can dissolve parliament at any time and can withhold Royal Ascent. But like in England, if this happened there would be a political firestorm kicked up. This happened once in Canada in 1926 when the GG did not dissolve a minority government as requested by the Prime Minister. In Australia where the GG has the same role, their GG dissolved the government in 1975 due to a crisis in government. In both cases this kicked up a lot of debate on the role of the GG.

Only the Queen (or King) can appoint a GG, but by tradition appoints someone suggested by the PM.

Re:Canada? yeah right (1, Flamebait)

alan_dershowitz (586542) | more than 7 years ago | (#18103070)

The thing is, most of us don't see that as a bad thing, whereas you US folks have this pre-conditioned distrust of Royalty for some unfathomable reason

The concept of "Royalty" is a history-encompassing scam where brigand families who murdered and backstabbed their way to political dominance, then established the fiction that they were fundamentally superior by the grace of genetics and edict of God, and used that fiction to claim right to subjugate and torture their "subjects" when not embroiling them in self-enriching wars. They are not better than anyone else, worse in fact because they lived high on the hog on the lie that they were better. The history of most "royal" families should make being a member a mark of shame, not something to be elevated.

Even if the Royal family doesn't have power anymore, it should be as disgusting and shameful as the Confederate flag, a symbol of when one class had institutional, irrevocable license to dominate over another. I have no respect at all for even the symbolic institution of royalty. I wouldn't associate with someone who clung proudly to their ancestral plantation heritage, and likewise I wouldn't accept an honor from a false institution such as royalty. If anything, you are the one preconditioned to accept such garbage, not us to reject it.

Re:Canada? yeah right (2, Insightful)

esme (17526) | more than 7 years ago | (#18103404)

...you US folks have this pre-conditioned distrust of Royalty for some unfathomable reason...

call me crazy, but as an atheist and devout (small-r) republican, i find the idea that someone is worthy of being my head of state by dint of their lineage, and ultimately because of divine right, to be not just preposterous, but offensive.

i know it doesn't make much practical difference. i lived in england for a couple of years, and i never had to make any profession of fealty or bow to royalty in any way. but still i find it bizarre that such progressive countries should allow such a remnant of despotism to linger for so long.

-esme

Re:Canada? yeah right (1)

The One and Only (691315) | more than 7 years ago | (#18103434)

The thing is, most of us don't see that as a bad thing, whereas you US folks have this pre-conditioned distrust of Royalty for some unfathomable reason

Could it be because royalty is just hereditary dictatorship in fancy clothes? In your case it's hereditary dictatorship that doesn't do anything useful. And it's not just US folks either. In some countries, like France and Russia, they went and killed all their royalty. I like that idea!

Re:Canada? yeah right (1)

bean123456789 (938830) | more than 7 years ago | (#18103448)

I didn't want to have to do this but you made me, Bryan Adams. Need I say more?

Re:Canada? yeah right (4, Insightful)

crabpeople (720852) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102232)

American money has the symbol of the illuminati and an oath to an imaginary supernatural being. I think canada wins here.

Not exactly Stallman's choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18101806)

From http://www.free-soft.org/gpl_history/ [free-soft.org]

"My later dealings with him personally showed that he was every bit as cowardly and despicable as you would expect from that history."

Whores? (1)

teh kurisu (701097) | more than 7 years ago | (#18101948)

The list of Order of Canada recipients -- 87 in all, including three Companions, 29 Officers and 55 Members -- was submitted to Gov. Gen. Michaëlle Jean and approved on Oct. 5, 2006.

Yep, I've been watching too much Firefly.

Re:Whores? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18102632)

Pfft. Everyone knows the Three Companions are named Iolo, Dupre and Shamino. We honour them equally with the Avatar in the Great White North.

Re:Whores? (1)

Rectal Prolapse (32159) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102674)

Those companions must be very skilled to juggle all those men (and women) at once!

What about OpenBSD's Theo De Raadt? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18102050)

What about OpenBSD's Theo De Raadt? I think he deserves more recognition and respect than he gets, regardless of his mis-understood personality. He's done more for the FOSS community as a whole than anyone else I can think of, yes, including Linus Torvalds IMO...

Sir James Gosling? (1)

Slur (61510) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102252)

As subjects of the Queen, couldn't he also be knighted?

Re:Sir James Gosling? (2, Informative)

dadragon (177695) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102386)

As subjects of the Queen, couldn't he also be knighted?

Legally, yes, but the Queen (in right of Canada) doesn't do that anymore unless the CANADIAN government allows it. It's been against government policy since the 40s.

Re:Sir James Gosling? (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 7 years ago | (#18103030)

Where I'm from, they award the Order of Australia instead of knighthoods.

A concession to 'republicans' that, while we're still a constitutional monarchy, like Canada we don't need to bother her majesty with bestowing national awards.

Re:Sir James Gosling? (1)

zsau (266209) | more than 7 years ago | (#18103374)

Actually what I heard is that the Queen herself decided it was no longer appropriate to grant knighthoods to Australians, told the then PM, and that was the end of the AK/AD. A pity; I think if someone's that important to our society, the least we can do is give them a title. As it's decided by the PM and not the Queen, I hardly see how it's an issue of republicanism...

But this happened before I knew what politics were, so I'm probably at least a little wrong...

Re:Sir James Gosling? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#18102762)

Read up on the Nickel Resolution [wikipedia.org]

Point of trivia, the Queen Mum was awarded the OoC.

Re:Sir James Gosling? (1)

Jerry Rivers (881171) | more than 7 years ago | (#18103394)

He would have to give up his Canadian citizenship to have British peerage bestowed upon him. Only one person comes to mind who has done that, Conrad Black, who now wants his citizenship back supposedly.

Gosling will be able to use the letters OC, CC or CM after his name however.

For Java? (3, Funny)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102308)

As someone who spent the better part of a day trying to get Eclipse, Swing, Tomcat, and the JDK set up, I think he should have had the medal pinned to his scrotum.

Re:For Java? (5, Informative)

Tim C (15259) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102448)

When was this? Java has been a download, 'double-click, click "next" a few times to install' affair for years. At most you might need to add the path to the bin directory to your path (it's been so long since I installed Java on a fresh machine that I forget).

Swing doesn't take any "setting up", it's a core API.

Tomcat runs pretty-much out of the box, although porting web-apps to it from other servlet containers can be problematic (especially if you foolishly use container-specific extensions).

Eclipse can be troublesome in that the website doesn't make it entirely clear what it is you should be downloading. As long as you get it right, however (and it's not really that hard, certainly much easier than it used to be) then you just extract it and double-click the executable to run it.

Now I'll grant that perhaps you might have trouble integrating Eclipse and Tomcat (as I've never tried it I can't comment), and you'd certainly have trouble trying to use Swing in a web-app, but without more detail I really can't see where on Earth you could be going wrong.

Re:For Java? (1)

Ranger (1783) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102522)

I think he should have had the medal pinned to his scrotum.

As Dr. Evil said, "There's nothing like a shorn scrotum, it's breathtaking I suggest you try it."

Re:For Java? (3, Informative)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 7 years ago | (#18103098)

Blame IBM for Eclipse, not Gosling...

As for the JDK, sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk should cover it.

Canada Gosling. (1)

DuSTman31 (578936) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102428)

Personally, I'm just glad that this helps to clarify the species.

Java was, apparently, invented by an immature Canada Goose, as opposed the the Greylag variety that we see more of around here..

So (1)

Ranger (1783) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102582)

Does that make him a Canada Gosling as well as a Canadian Gosling?

Canada also seems to have a problem with chasing beavers [youtube.com] .

Design pattern (4, Funny)

isomeme (177414) | more than 7 years ago | (#18102930)

Rather than giving Gosling the order of Canada, wouldn't it be better form for Gosling and Canada to extend a common implementation of Comparable?

Officer OC is *not* highest award (1)

gvc (167165) | more than 7 years ago | (#18103046)

You don't just get "appointed to" or "awarded" the Order of Canada. You are named one of the following, from lowest to highest:
  • Member of the Order of Canada
  • Officer of the Order of Canada
  • Companion of the Order of Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Canada [wikipedia.org]

Availability (1)

fabu10u$ (839423) | more than 7 years ago | (#18103480)

From TFA:

Recipients of the Order of Canada may attend any one of four ceremonies held each year – usually in February, May or June, September or November and October or December – at which they can receive their insignia and certificates. Attendance is determined by the recipients' availability.

"Sorry, I'm having my nails done that day..."

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