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Dvorak Sees MS Conspiracy Against BitTorrent

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the tin-foil-hats,-check dept.

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kilgortrout writes "Dvorak has an interesting editorial up, where he links the recent stories of alleged 'security problems' and 'spyware problems' bittorent has been having with the recent MS announcement of research into a file sharing app called 'Avalanche'. concluding it's all part of an orchestrated MS disinformation campaign against BitTorrent." From the article: "The problem is that no big company controls it, and Microsoft, asleep at the wheel, let it slip too long to do much about it. So now I suspect Microsoft is playing dirty to discredit the thing. There is no other explanation for the recent series of coincidental stories and events." Especially interesting in light of Bram Cohen's take on the situation.

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Sheer Brilliance (5, Interesting)

TPIRman (142895) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874135)

Apparently Dvorak developed a taste for being correct after the Mac-on-Intel news (even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while), so he has shifted from total-crackpot mode to state-the-painfully-obvious mode. Or, rather, a combination of the two.

His main points:

- "Avalanche" is a textbook FUD salvo against BitTorrent. (MSFT TRICK ME? NO WAY)
- While spyware can be distributed through BitTorrent, this doesn't mean BitTorrent is spyware. (WTF R U SURE, J.D.?)
- "Avalanche" is vaporware. (F'REALZ? OMG!!)

The column isn't wrong, it's just a waste of bandwidth. I've read /. goatse trolls with more insight than Dvorak's piece.

Re:Sheer Brilliance (4, Insightful)

Golias (176380) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874168)

We need a "John Dvorak" category on Slashdot, so all "stories" related to his latest rants can be filtered out.

Re:Sheer Brilliance (5, Funny)

spyder913 (448266) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874171)

In the meantime -- anybody have a good adblock setting for his stories?

I agree (2, Insightful)

Von Rex (114907) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874213)

I would be happy to never see his name again. I've yet to read a Dvorak article on anything that had any value.

Re:I agree (3, Funny)

Skye16 (685048) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874282)

Aside from the dvorak keyboard that I've recently begun using, I'd have to agree. Though my wrists are much happier now that I'm not using qwerty.

But I digress.

Re:Sheer Brilliance (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874308)

Or just lump it with the John Katz stories. Whatever happend to that guy. Some agree goth kid shoot him in the school halls or something?

Re:Sheer Brilliance (2, Funny)

njcoder (657816) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874183)

"So now I suspect Microsoft is playing dirty to discredit the thing."

WTF is he talking about? Hasn't he been reading the MS press releases and blogs about how MS is settling all it's lawsuits and making friends with everyone. MS is not an evil empire anymore. They told us so.

Yes this is supposed to be funny.

Re:Sheer Brilliance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874294)

Was he right about the Mac-on-Intel deal?
Yes.

Is he right now?
We don't know.

Did the way in which he works change?
It did.

Is this a good thing?
Not even one bit.

But was it better before?
Not really.

Is he right when he says Avalanche is vaporware?
Apparently.

And should we trust him when he says BitTorrent is not spyware?
Certainly.

My point? I have no fucking clue. But OTOH it seems like Dvorak missed his the whole point of his column as well.

FUCK YOU (-1, Flamebait)

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Re:Sheer Brilliance (5, Funny)

OglinTatas (710589) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874299)

"I've read /. goatse trolls with more insight than Dvorak's piece."

Given the nature of goatse, it is next to impossible to have more insight than that, and no one wants that much insight.

Re:Sheer Brilliance (5, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874329)

DANGER: Do not look into the goatse with your remaining eye.

obvious? (4, Insightful)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874388)

so he has shifted from total-crackpot mode to state-the-painfully-obvious mode.

If you haven't noticed, the outsiders (a.k.a
Joe-Users, common people, ignorant sheep, etc) didn't believe Microsoft was insecure - at least until the most recent exploits.

They think that Microsoft is Good, and also that machines are just good because they have "Intel Inside".

They do NOT know about Microsoft's monopolic practices (and I'm not talking about embedding IE inside Windows), the FUD of SCO vs Linux, the danger of software patents, etc. etc.

But I remember one thing from my old days of computer user. My dad bought PC Magazine and used to read John C. Dvorak's columns. Who were written for common people, not for unix über-geeks.

Sure, his statements might be obvious to us. But not for the outside world. And I'm glad that he tells this stuff so common people can find out.

(Now if only he spoke against software patents...)

Re:Sheer Brilliance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874409)

Dvorak writes article you don't agree with=Crackpot

Dvorak writes article you agree with=Stating the obvious

You obviously are not biased against Dvorak.

does anyone really care? (2, Interesting)

spyder913 (448266) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874141)

Seriously, does anyone really care anymore what Dvorak's newest 'theories' are?

Somebody must care what he says! (2, Insightful)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874243)

Somebody must care, otherwise he wouldn't get paid to write his articles, editorials and columns.

Re:Somebody must care what he says! (2, Funny)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874267)

Probably the same people that care whether or not 'Gilligan' is going to be voted off the 'island'.

Re:Somebody must care what he says! (1)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874278)

Indeed. The dumbfockery of society.

Yeah, and that somebody is Slashdot! (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874315)

Sure, we're all mocking him, but we're still paying attention (literally, in terms of pcmag.com ad impressions).

Re:does anyone really care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874314)

Oh look someone with mod points modded him 'redundant' when his post # is lowest. Probably the same editor who lets this crap through. Moron moderators. Too bad meta-modding doesn't do any good.

Thank you MR. Obvious. (0, Redundant)

iibagod (887140) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874143)

I think he's got something there.

Microsoft spreads FUD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874144)

Say it ain't so!

No Consipracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874146)

MS is just tired of downloading Bram Cohen's Bitorent off of sourceforge and getting a popup of him begging for money when you first run the program.

Hell has indeed frozen over! (3, Funny)

PenguinBoyDave (806137) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874147)

Dvorak finding something negative with Microsoft? It is truly the end of times.

The deuce you say! (1)

Monte (48723) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874150)

Dvorak has an interesting editorial up,

Pull the other one.

Didn't he get spoofed in benchmarking some "new hotness" machine because the people giving the demo slowed down the mobo's RTC?

Since then (and that was in the 80's IIRC) I haven't paid much attention to what Mr. Dvorak. I daresay I haven't missed much.

Re:The deuce you say! (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874298)

I'm slightly intrigued by Microsoft producing a file sharing app called Avalanche. My final year undergraduate project was a client-server/peer-to-peer hybrid file sharing protocol called Avalanche. I've been meaning to dust it off and produce a properly working version for a while. I wonder if I can make Microsoft change their name...

Ummm (5, Insightful)

DeathFlame (839265) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874152)

"...There is no other explanation for the recent series of coincidental stories and events."

Unless they were a... *gasp* coincidence.

Why would bittorrent be the P2P app that scares MS? What about Napster, or Kazza? Those were around years ago. This makes no sense to me.

Re:Ummm (1)

yellowbkpk (890493) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874177)

*THIS* time they'll stop piracy! This is their chance and they have to take it or wait until the next P2P app comes 'round.

Re:Ummm (5, Insightful)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874206)

Because napster and kazaa are locked in the network.

Bittorrent is anywhere, I can post a torrent link here and have 1000s of people all getting the latest and greatest(!?) version of Windows.

Also, don't forget, its now becoming routine for people to download nice cd/dvd sized ISO files :)

They didn't care when it took hundreds of hours per disk.

Re:Ummm (2, Interesting)

southpolesammy (150094) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874407)

Or more concerning to Microsoft, hosting via BT means not having to spend money on big file servers and not being locked into a single OS for said serviecs. Given their recent focus on attempting to hobble Samba as well, I'm guessing that they may be realizing that a core part of their business model has the potential to implode very quickly if alternatives like these gain momentum in the corporate arena.

Re:Ummm (1)

RonnyJ (651856) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874248)

Agreed - there are negative reports about BT all the time. If Microsoft had happened to put up their research paper after the next attack on BT by the RIAA, would we have had similar conspiracy theories then ?

Re:Ummm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874335)

Can you say, "embrace and extend"? I knew you could!

Here's a very popular application M$ doesn't control-yet. They have the governemt and the Pigopolists squeezing the life out of it, after which they'll glom onto it and peddle their own "sanitized" version.

But can you get pornography from Avalanche? (4, Insightful)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874155)

If you can't get videos of boobies and cocks and vaginas and poontangs and sluts and bondagery using Avalanche, then it will never be used. End of story!

Re:But can you get pornography from Avalanche? (1)

TedTschopp (244839) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874286)

If small to medium size companies can see a measurable decrease in bandwidth used then it will get used.

They wouldn't even have to put it on top of HTTP to get a large savings. Just have a Microsoft Windows Large File WebServer Edition to host all large files say over 256K. Have the Large File WebServer grab the files automatically from the site and replace the links automatically with links to the Avalanch Server.

This isn't a big deal. This isn't hard task, and it isn't a hard to roll out.

Re:But can you get pornography from Avalanche? (2, Insightful)

hab136 (30884) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874411)

If small to medium size companies can see a measurable decrease in bandwidth used then it will get used.

Indeed, Blizzard [blizzard.com] uses Bittorrent to distribute patches for World of Warcraft [worldofwarcraft.com] .

What? (1, Funny)

It doesn't come easy (695416) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874157)

A conspiracy involving Microsoft? No way!

Legal use for torrent? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874164)

Can someone tell me a real,legal use for bittorrent?

I get my Linux distros faster from ftp.sunet.se. All the stuff that my pals seem to trade are illegal copies of DVDs and CDs.

Re:Legal use for torrent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874175)

porn

Re:Legal use for torrent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874346)

porn is copyrighted and lots of porn production companies are members of the MPAA.

Re:Legal use for torrent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874188)

Re:Legal use for torrent? (3, Informative)

BrianGa (536442) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874200)

http://bt.etree.org/ [etree.org]

Spread of trade-friendly music.

Dvorak: -1, innane. (0, Flamebait)

th0mas.sixbit.org (780570) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874202)

...by early 2005 (bittorrent) was perhaps the dominant protocol on the Net, second only to TCP/IP itself.

I'll bet you it didn't rank better than third, what with that other protocol, "IP", stealing all our bandwidth..

Re:Legal use for torrent? (1, Funny)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874208)

Shut UP! DO NOT tell slashdot about ftp.sunet.se!!!

Re:Legal use for torrent? (1)

Soybean47 (885009) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874309)

Good lord, is it some sort of secret? Man, I remember connecting to sunet when the only protocol I had access to was FTP, and that only via a text-based client. Someone gave me a list of a few FTP sites on a sheet of looseleaf, and sunet was one of the better ones.

So... was the guy with the looseleaf particularly well-connected or something? ;)

Re:Legal use for torrent? (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874398)

Good lord, is it some sort of secret? Man, I remember connecting to sunet when the only protocol I had access to was FTP, and that only via a text-based client. Someone gave me a list of a few FTP sites on a sheet of looseleaf, and sunet was one of the better ones.

Yep, I remember using ftp.sunet.se back in like 93 or so. I thought it was an institution.

Re:Legal use for torrent? (5, Informative)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874211)

The factor isn't so much the speed, as it is the fact that the bandwidth isn't as centralized. Now a project like Slackware, Debian, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, etc., can widely distribute its large, legal CD or DVD images without incurring the massive bandwidth costs. Indeed, for non-corporate organizations that can be a real blessing!

Re:Legal use for torrent? (2, Informative)

KillerDeathRobot (818062) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874249)

Blizzard distributes World of Warcraft patches via a custom Bittorrent client, and a number of game demos now are released via torrents.

Lots of other stuff is and can be distributed through Bittorrent.

Re:Legal use for torrent? (1)

CoderBob (858156) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874391)

Blizzard's foray into BT-based patching would have been a great idea if they weren't so moronic about their update _software_.

It is a nice way to get the patch, though, especially once I figured out that you can get the patch off someone else's machine. Now, we have the ports opened up on the router to get full speed off the torrent _and_ the roommates don't fight over who gets it first.

Re:Legal use for torrent? (5, Informative)

yotto (590067) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874272)

Can someone tell me a real,legal use for bittorrent?

You're posting on it.
Seriously, how many times have you seen a post on /. about some game, or app, or package, or video, and tried to download it but have been met with dead servers? Bittorrent solves that problem and for that alone it is worth having installed.

Re:Legal use for torrent? (4, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874312)

Can someone tell me a real,legal use for bittorrent?

Obviously, someone wasn't paying attention. [slashdot.org]

And FWIW, over the past few days I've downloaded Linux From Scratch CD and Book, Knoppix lastest, and OpenSolaris code over BitTorrent. Xandros also provides a free version of their distro only over bittorrent, and many game demos come over bittorrent. It's gotten to the point where I get pretty upset if I *can't* get a large file over BT. (Others may remember me bitching about not being able to download Solaris 10 over BT. I still can't, but at least I can get the source and OpenSolaris derivitives.)

Re:Legal use for torrent? (1)

stinerman (812158) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874390)

I downloaded Fedora Core 4 using BitTorrent.

It was indeed faster than getting it through any of the mirrors.

Even if that wasn't true, I have the right to get my distros using any protocol I wish. BitTorrent is a protocol, nothing more. It does not care about what data is being transferred on it.

Applying your logic, USENET also falls under this, as the vast majority of data transferred on it is warez, music, games, etc. Of course, I subscribe to 9 groups, none of which deal in any of that.
Remember, computers don't infringe on copyrights, people infringe on copyrights.

Re:Legal use for torrent? (1)

Datamonstar (845886) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874395)

In the data center I work in we had to transfer a few terrabytes worth of data from optical platters to SAN. We ended up using a vendor app, but I was thinking of developing a specialized Bittorent client for the job.

Microsoft can MAKE Avalanch happen (5, Insightful)

TedTschopp (244839) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874178)

It's actually rather easy.

Step 1. Include support in IIS (via Patch)
Step 2. Include support for it in IE (via Patch)
Step 3. DONE!

Re:Microsoft can MAKE Avalanch happen (1)

ajs (35943) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874304)

Indeed, control over the server and browser is powerful, but the same can be done in the open source world. As long as it's done as an extension that's done in a way that allows incompatible browsers to work in a degreded mode (e.g. <img src="img.png" btsrc="img.torrent" />), then you're all set.

Re:Microsoft can MAKE Avalanch happen (4, Interesting)

TedTschopp (244839) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874352)

OS/Apache + Firefox should do this already. Beat Microsoft to the punch. Heck you could even include a spot for plugging and playing DRM (or not).

The process would be to automatically replace all links to files which are larger than say 256K with a Torrent-ish link. This could be done on pagebuild as it the file is served up.

You would want to build the Torrent capabilities into the browser as well, so then you would goto Firefox and build them in there as well.

Spyware and virii (2, Insightful)

PotatoHead (12771) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874324)

are two of the very best things to happen to Microsoft in this regard.

If you are running a win32 variant, you basically need patches on almost a daily basis. The closed nature of the software demands you get these patches from Microsoft. (Which must have one hell of a bandwidth bill and could actually use a BT like technology for cost reasons alone.)

There is nothing like having a distribution channel your customers (read cattle) must make use of. Works just like our own government does. Attach something they don't really want or need to a spending bill (or totally important security patch) and you are off to the races!

Of course they can make it happen. The bigger question is will they get it right?

Vaporware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874393)

1a. Figure out exactly what the hell it is we're going to include.

/. Sees Dvorak Conspiracy Against Common Sense (4, Funny)

sczimme (603413) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874182)


From The Fine Article:


by early 2005 it was perhaps the dominant protocol on the Net, second only to TCP/IP itself

Wow - TCP/IP, then P2P, and then all those small niche protocols like http, smtp, ftp...

BitTorrent IS the dominant protocol on the Net (4, Informative)

sjvn (11568) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874284)

See it for yourself:

http://www.cachelogic.com/research/slide3.php [cachelogic.com]

or ask anyone who works at an ISP. HTTP barely counts compared to BitTorrent and the other P2P file network protocols.

Steven

except the obvious (1)

flynt (248848) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874184)

There is no other explanation for the recent series of coincidental stories and events...except coincidence.

+1 TROLL? Slashdot Hipocracy. (0, Troll)

Tei (520358) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874187)

If /. penalty troll beaviors with -1, why the editors post professional trollers that write amusing articles to pump readers?

Its bad or god to troll on the /. book?

Microsoft... (1)

Silent_Shadow900 (893879) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874193)

why would microsoft make a program similar to bittorrent? With bittorrent you can download illegal copies of software, and help others do so. Hell, i found the halo 2 download, and it was only for bittorrent. I probably spelled a million things wrong in there.

The News I'd Really Like To See: (3, Funny)

TooMuchEspressoGuy (763203) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874194)

"Dvorak Shuts Up."

Re:The News I'd Really Like To See: (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874397)

The only trouble is that that won't happen until Slashdot starts ignoring him. Everybody making comments in this thread (except for meta-comments like ours) is contributing to the problem.

I'm shocked, shocked! (1)

Captain Sarcastic (109765) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874201)

How could anybody accuse Microsoft, who has been known for years as an above-board protector of digital copyright, freedom of innovation, and the American way...
<Irony = 0%>
Oh, crap, did I forget to set the Irony to 100% on that? I hate it when that happens!

If only he didn't have the name Dvorak (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874205)

My keyboard weeps.

A Dvorak flood? (2, Insightful)

FunWithHeadlines (644929) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874207)

OK, what is this, Dvorak month? We used to get Jon Katz articles, but that made sense as he was part of /. for a while. More recently we get Cringley articles, and that's OK as he sometimes writes quite well and makes interesting suggestions. But are we now in for a slew of Dvorak articles?

I hope not. I read Dvorak from 1984 onward when he was in his PC Magazine glory. Fun times, stupid boldfacing of seemingly random characters and all. But man, has this guy gone downhill. Now he seems to be throwing darts at a board labled, "Insult Apple," "Insult Linux," "Insult Random Somebody," and then sit back and wait for the hits. Posting links to /. is to just fall into his lazy scheme.

Let's not make this a regular feature, that's all I'm asking. I know where to find Mr. Dvorak's words, and I know enough not to wander there.

Say it's not so! (4, Funny)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874209)

Microsoft would never announce a product that wasn't in existence, promote it through marketing to the point that a competitor's product dropped in sales as people waited for Microsoft's uber-cool dingy-bopper thingy - then when it's released with half of the functionality promise that the next version will really be better than its competitors while supporting themselves with their monopoly!

I mean, they've never done that before, right?

Shock Bloggers Howard Stearn (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874222)

This guy just keeps getting wackier. I think he needs to adjust his tin-foil hat, it's so tight it's cutting off the circulation to his brain. -Rick

Ok, go ahead and call me cynical. . . (4, Interesting)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874223)

but, this is actually the very first thing that popped into my head. It's the standard MS modus operandi to publish something like this when they can't directly control something they perceive as a threat.

Imply it's something the boys at R&D have been working on, and either the customers wait for the MS product (which as often as not never actually arrives) or the other developer throws up his hands and abandons.

In fact, I have no idea what MS's R&D division actually does other than supply statements and papers as necessary to effect this. The commercial software comes from the commercial development teams, not the research teams.

KFG

Similarly... (4, Funny)

KamaDragon (819925) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874226)

I got my license in 2001, and then gas prices skyrocketed. US oil companies were waiting for me to start driving to raise gas prices. There is no other explanation.

Yeah, it's all your fault (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874363)

Before you started driving, gas prices had been stable for over 50 years. We're all kind of pissed of at you for starting to drive, and thereby causing the oil companies to raise the cost of gasoline.

Go here [fueleconomy.gov] to see that this is not true. Gas prices have never been stable.

How to be a tech pundit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874230)

It's not a difficult taks to get your opinions taken as gospel. It's just a matter of finding the right news stories, and twisting them to fit ones own opinion.

So, we start with a basic idea - MS is evil and wants to take over the entire software industry. Hardly a revolutionary suggesion, so we extrapolate a more radical viewpoint from this - Absolutely everything MS ever does is for the sole purpose of eliminating all competition.

As a result, after reading any story involving Microsoft, we must assume this is to further the above aim.

MS says bittorrent has - they want to turn everyone away from BT. MS says the sky is blue - they want to standardise the world on Microsoft's corporate colour.

Re:How to be a tech pundit (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874288)

Absolutely everything MS ever does is for the sole purpose of eliminating all competition.

Pretty much, yeah. The head of the MS Office division even went so far as to publicly state that MS considered their "fair share" of the market to be 100%.

KFG

answering your own question (2, Insightful)

dirk (87083) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874233)

There is no other explanation for the recent series of coincidental stories and events.
Except that maybe it is all just coincidence, just like he says. Not everything is a conspiracy, sometimes things just happen.

Why does MS care? (1)

RickPartin (892479) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874234)

Why does MS care? They never cared about napter or Kazaa. Why Bittorrent? They were all super popular in their time. I just don't see how this is crushing any existing or potential markets for them. Anyone care to explain?

Re:Why does MS care? (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874344)

They never cared about napter or Kazaa. Were Napster or Kazaa used for distributing Linux distros?

Re:Why does MS care? (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874402)

Because if Microsoft controlled the P2P protocol, they would control another (pivotal) DRM chokepoint. If they can't control P2P, they won't be able to implement an all-encompassing control over entertainment distribution. Companies like Sony wouldn't like that, and they're the ones who're going to be paying the big bucks to make sure their content won't be transmittable P2P.

That can't be Dvorak (2, Interesting)

harrypelles (872287) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874239)

From the article:

The only defenders of BitTorrent I saw regarding this issue were buried here and there on Slashdot.

Huh?

This is Microsoft RESEARCH! (5, Interesting)

InfiniteWisdom (530090) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874246)

Yes, Microsoft research is funded by the rest of Microsoft Corp. but people who work for MSR are primarily academic researchers and have a wide latitude in their work. MSR is to Microsoft what Bell Labs was to AT&T, PARC was to Xerox and TJ Watson Research Center is to IBM.

MSR researchers publish in all the same conferences as academics at Universities and National Labs, go through the same peer-review process as everyone else, and have too much reputation at stake to publish junk papers or overtly push an agenda.

Yes, their research may be nudged in directions that MS wants to go, but it is real research and not a part of a conspiracy.

Why only bittorrent? (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874247)

It's not like gnutella had a big corporation in charge of it. In fact, it's even less under anyone's control than bittorrent. (which has its protocol near-completely controlled by Bram, and as far as I can see only his and Azureus as really popular clients).

Dvorak's made a very good point (0)

perigee369 (837140) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874254)

In spite of all the grief Dvorak receives for his "fortune telling" of things to come, he certainly has hit the mark this time, IMHO. While I'm sure there are some honest people in MS's Research division, don't think for one moment that Mr. Gates and Co. isn't looking for a way to discredit Bittorrent, just like they did with Netscape and Real and anyone else that gets in the way...

Why do you think Slashdot's icon for Microsoft is a borgified Bill Gates!

Kudos to Mr. Dvorak. Like they say: where there's crap, there's flies...

Give Dvorak his own icon (1)

strongmace (890237) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874274)

Seriously, there are so many slashdot stories referencing his articles that he may as well have an icon. It could be anything from a mentally challenged kid to a crazy old man. Those would probably be fitting.

Enough with the Dvorak stories. They're terrible.

Re:Give Dvorak his own icon (1)

TheDauthi (219285) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874375)

"Being John Dvorak is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you get your article posted to Slashdot, you're still retarded."

WTF? (1)

Mr. Flibble (12943) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874293)

WTF? I find myself agreeing with Dvorak... and what is more (from TFA):

The only defenders of BitTorrent I saw regarding this issue were buried here and there on Slashdot. They sure were not in the newsrooms--or the blogs for that matter. All the stories I saw were disgraceful.

Hell hath frozen over... Agreeing with Dvorak... Dvorak lauding Slashdot...

huh? (1)

Danathar (267989) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874296)

What security? What spyware? Just because the press SAYS there are security and spyware problems does not mean there are...

Dvorak = vaporthought (0, Redundant)

Iriel (810009) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874305)

Okay, the only major point that Dvorak makes here is that MS is clearly up to something. Through each group of sentences, it's almost the exact same thing. When considering how old Micro$oft is, anyone can make a conjecture that M$ is up to some sort of conspiracy. Do you know what it's called?

Marketing

We all know the M$ hype machine and don't need any sort of self-proclaimed expert to tell us that something from M$ is not what it seems. However, I think there could be more to the idea of an Avalanche conspiracy:

How about the idea that M$ could strike a deal with the (MP | RI)AA to give them the info on people trading copyrighted files that had been hacked due to a pathetic DRM? I know it may sound like a little bit of a stretch, but Verizon DSL did something similar before, so I'm surprised that Dvorak didn't think of it.

Wait a minute...a squirrel just climbed a tree...M$ is behind this.

Avalanche against Avalanche (1)

LukePieStalker (746993) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874310)

There appears to be an avalanche [slashdot.org] of stories bashing avalanche today.

Forced into using DRM (3, Insightful)

argoff (142580) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874323)

I don't think it's a conspiracy, but I do think that there is a HUGE ammount of pressure to corall the IT industry to use a DRM model vs a free flow of information model for the future of the information age. These two models are completely incompatable.

Of course, on the same note, it's in our best interest to put a large amount of effort into relying on free information and non proprietary technology as much as possible.

In Soviet Russia... (0)

Tei (520358) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874325)

In Sovier Russia, Microsoft download YOUR harddisk.

you fail it (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874326)

Perspective, the progrres. Any

At least he's not on (1)

RealProgrammer (723725) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874331)

Dvorcrack any more. He's just irrelevant.

Just because Microsoft is out to borg peer-to-peer technology, that doesn't mean that every related event is the result of a Gatesian plot.

Spyware on Bittorrent was almost as unsurprising as a wiki editorial site getting graffitied to death.

Dvorak needs to loosen his tinfoil hat. (1)

scottinflorida (727786) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874333)

He's starting to see things in the dark again.

No Legal Use for Business? (1)

HaFBaKeD (893874) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874336)

Although Microsoft is indeed most likely using this as a smear campaign against bittorrent, would a tool such as this, backed by Microsoft, confirmed to be only for "legal" uses, not be a usefull tool for large corporations and businesses? A business that can obviously not allow bittorrent on their corporate networks might find a use for a Microsoft backed solution, especially assuming integration into their current Windows Architecture would be "simple"

Protocols (2, Informative)

RonnyJ (651856) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874337)

Continuous improvements led to its (BitTorrent) emergence as a force in 2003; by early 2005 it was perhaps the dominant protocol on the Net, second only to TCP/IP itself.

I'm sorry, but this guy doesn't know what he's talking about - you can't make a meaningful statement comparing the usage of the BT protocol to the 'TCP/IP protocol'. If he's going to make such statements, at least he should compare it to something relevant, like HTTP or FTP.

Please help me (2, Funny)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874341)

Do we hate Dvorak on Tuesdays, or was that only Thursdays?

Buy tin foil stocks now! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874355)

I'm sitting in the halls of Redmond right now, and frankly, this is laughable. Microsoft isn't a perfect company, but outside of a few people in Research, I doubt anyone in Microsoft cares less about bit torrent - I know my group doesn't care despite us being prime beneficiaires from any MS delivered BT style technology.

Take of your tin foil hat and get back to laughing about longhorn ship dates (a legit area for criticism!)

Maybe He's right (1)

pablo_max (626328) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874358)

I really dont agree with a lot of what this guys says, but now and again, he's right. I do know that I have a "friend" who downloads much from BT and has yet to incounter one of these zillions of viruses running around. But maybe he's just lucky. It seems to me that when you have a system where by you register at a site to get the trackers, the trackers are rated, it becomes much harder to proliferate your malware. Normally these trackers are removed or rated down.....at least thats what my friend says.

One of these days... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874362)

MS is going to really freak everyone out. Has anyone considered that MS may be spreading FUD so other people develop similar software and then they embrace and extend.
What people don't seem to get about business is this: MS doesn't care about innovation. They care about IP and $. If they can simply buy the IP and the talent, then more power to them. All the open source weenies that frequent /. need to take business courses. MS COULD GIVE A DAMN LESS ABOUT MORALS. THEY CARE ABOUT $.

Dvorak Conspiracy against Chris Boyd (0)

0kComputer (872064) | more than 9 years ago | (#12874372)

Dvorak seemed to have an axe to grind w/ MVP Chris Boyd about associating BT w/ spyware. I looked at the referenced blog post and I couldn't find where Boyd was implying that Bittorent is spyware. Boyd was just be saying that bitorrent was used as a vehicle to transport spyware, not that BT was spyware. Oh and by the way, the research paper was jsut that, a paper, when has it been touted as anything more. It had some good points in my opinion such as the fix to the missing piece problem, or last piece problem which BT suffers from. If anyone is spreading FUD its Dvorak.

thats fantastic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12874382)

Dvorak should go die, nobody wants to hear from him.
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