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1040 comments

Cherry OS story?!? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478256)

Did anyone else see the Cherry OS story appear and then disappear off the main page?

Re:Cherry OS story?!? (0, Offtopic)

JazzyJ (1995) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478269)

Yep... wonder what happened there?! Hoax?

Re:Cherry OS story?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478288)

yep, saw the whole saga. Real time problem solving, mate. That article was a dupe, eh.

What happened (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478263)

to the cherryos story ... ????

Integrity!!!

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478264)

fp

cherry os! (-1, Offtopic)

Danzigism (881294) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478270)

what happened to the cherry os thread? doh.. maybe i said to much.. LOOSE LIPS SINK CHIPS ha

Re:cherry os! (0, Offtopic)

Danzigism (881294) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478341)

boo.. bad moderation for a paying subscriber..

Re:cherry os! (-1, Offtopic)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478342)

This should not be rated as Offtopic...since where else can we post it....what DID happen to that Cherry OS story. I went, read the story (which was crappy mind you as it gave us no detail) and came back and its gone? Hmmm [rummages for tin-foil hat level 9 of 10] "Are we being sensored?"

Re:cherry os! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478387)

It was a dupe, so it was deleted.

If you actually care, scroll down and read the original story. Otherwise, get on with life and stop being so paranoid.

Re:cherry os! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478420)

erm... where?

Re:cherry os! (0, Offtopic)

Danzigism (881294) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478394)

indeed.. not very fair.. i started a brand new fresh paid account, and my karma is already Bad..

Serves ya right for being so dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478446)

PAY for this shit? LOL. Idiot.

Re:Serves ya right for being so dumb (0, Offtopic)

Danzigism (881294) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478467)

why are you here then?? its the dumb asses like you that don't support something good, then is just disapears off the planet, and you ask, "whatever happened to good ol' slashdot??"

Re:Serves ya right for being so dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478513)

It's also possible to support the site through intelligent discussion, rather than mud-slinging like you two are doing...and you wonder why slashdot is what it is.

Re:cherry os! (1)

null etc. (524767) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478423)

Hmmm [rummages for tin-foil hat level 9 of 10] "Are we being sensored?"

No, but I imagine we might be censored.

Re:cherry os! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478506)



Just one question:

Who was the editor who posted and pulled the story?

Re:cherry os! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478459)

It's still listed as an accepted story for MrToast:

http://slashdot.org/~MrToast [slashdot.org]

What's so bad? (3, Informative)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478271)

I mean seriously, what is so bad? Is everyone really buying into that Big Brother Crap where the government is going to know everywhere we go and shiat?

Most European Countries use ID's like this already.

Re:What's so bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478301)

Can you say "remote reading"? That's right. This would offer a way to read your ID without being in possession of it.

Re:What's so bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478487)

darr, because it would be impossible to store the card in a foil sleeve (maybe even issue it in one, gasp!) Can you say 'overreacting' thats right.

Re:What's so bad? (5, Informative)

uqbar (102695) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478307)

Bruce Schneier (as usual) has good insights [schneier.com] on this.

Re:What's so bad? (5, Insightful)

null etc. (524767) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478384)

REAL ID also prohibits states from issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens. This makes no sense, and will only result in these illegal aliens driving without licenses -- which isn't going to help anyone's security.

Yeah, that's some REAL good insight.

Re:What's so bad? (3, Insightful)

DrStrange66 (654036) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478453)

Sounds to me that paranoia is what drives this "REAL" guy. One of the points he makes is about the magnetic strip on the id making it easy to sell info to companies without authorization. I'm not a lawyer but that sounds illegal. That's beside the point. My driver's license already has a magnetic strip and I have had it scanned on a few occasions without consequence. This card makes it more difficult for illegal aliens and terrorists. Seems like a good idea to me.

Re:What's so bad? (5, Insightful)

stlhawkeye (868951) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478308)

I mean seriously, what is so bad? Is everyone really buying into that Big Brother Crap where the government is going to know everywhere we go and shiat?

I don't care about the Big Brother side, I care about the part where our officials are enacting pointless legislation that won't solve anything but will create a whole new department of bureaucracy that you and I get to pay for. Hell no.

Re:What's so bad? (1)

hypergreatthing (254983) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478327)

It's pointless. We already have tons of ids out there. Driver's license, social security card, credit cards. That's enough information out there already. Now they want to mandate that you have yet another card with everything on it? Yeah, losing your wallet is one thing, but losing this card would be extreme. They'll make it so that you can't go anywhere without it, post readers all over the place and track your movements.

Ohh, and to counter your argument, they have video survalence all over london, i guess that makes it right to start putting it everywhere. They use it to give tickets, prevent crime, and take pictures of people showering. Sounds like the right move to me ().

Re:What's so bad? (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478349)

that makes sense(what you said that is, not the video surveillance thing)

Re:What's so bad? (1)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478461)

Credit cards are not a form of ID.... and really SS card should not be considered one (and is not considered one by most organizations). If your SS card is a form of ID what is to prevent me from stealing someones card and then saying "well look at my ID, the one without the picture."

I want the convenience of one card for my SS, DL, passport and gun carrying permit. So that way when the cop asks me for my ID I am not handing him two or three pieces (by law when a cop pulls me over i need to show him my gun carrying permit if i am carrying it).

If you have any of the four forms of ID - why are you so worried about having them merged into one. They all basically carry the same information.

Re:What's so bad? (1)

Golias (176380) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478357)

Is everyone really buying into that Big Brother Crap

Yes. Yes they are.

Sometimes whack-job paranoia is not a bad thing, though. It compels the government to be slightly more forthright about putting their cards on the table, lest the average Joe Moderate start to listen to the voices shouting in the wilderness. (God, I love mixing metaphors.)

Some see RealID as the proverbial "bad idea whose time has come," but personally I think biometrics are a much better way to go.

Stealing an ID or driver's license of somebody who looks a little bit like you is trivial. Stealing somebody's retina pattern is beyond the skills of the typical street thug.

Re:What's so bad? (1)

hotdiggitydawg (881316) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478391)

Stealing somebody's retina pattern is beyond the skills of the typical street thug.

Actually, I would suggest that removing someones eyeball from their skull could quite reasonably be within the typical street thug's skill-set...

Re:What's so bad? (1)

Golias (176380) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478454)

Actually, I would suggest that removing someones eyeball from their skull could quite reasonably be within the typical street thug's skill-set...

And then insert said eye into your own socket?

Not unless street thugs have both surgical skills and a very high pain tollerance.

Re:What's so bad? (1)

The_Whole_Fn_Show (767848) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478500)

And then insert said eye into your own socket?

Never seen Demolition Man, huh?

Seriously, why would you have to insert it into your own socket? Am I missing something?

Groucho said it best.. (2, Insightful)

j0e_average (611151) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478466)

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies. -- Groucho Marx

Re:What's so bad? (4, Informative)

intnsred (199771) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478493)

I'll ignore the fact that this law blatantly violates the 10th Amendment, and will instead cite this CNet article by someone who knows far more about the law than I do:

How Real ID will affect you
By Declan McCullagh [com.com]

What's all the fuss with the Real ID Act about?

President Bush is expected to sign an $82 billion military spending bill soon that will, in part, create electronically readable, federally approved ID cards for Americans. The House of Representatives overwhelmingly approved the package--which includes the Real ID Act--on Thursday.

What does that mean for me?

Starting three years from now, if you live or work in the United States, you'll need a federally approved ID card to travel on an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social Security payments, or take advantage of nearly any government service. Practically speaking, your driver's license likely will have to be reissued to meet federal standards. News.context

What's new:

The House of Representatives has approved an $82 billion military spending bill with an attachment that would mandate electronically readable ID cards for Americans. President Bush is expected to sign the bill.

Bottom line:

The Real ID Act would establish what amounts to a national identity card. State drivers' licenses and other such documents would have to meet federal ID standards established by the Department of Homeland Security.

More stories on this topic

The Real ID Act hands the Department of Homeland Security the power to set these standards and determine whether state drivers' licenses and other ID cards pass muster. Only ID cards approved by Homeland Security can be accepted "for any official purpose" by the feds.

How will I get one of these new ID cards?

You'll still get one through your state motor vehicle agency, and it will likely take the place of your drivers' license. But the identification process will be more rigorous.

For instance, you'll need to bring a "photo identity document," document your birth date and address, and show that your Social Security number is what you had claimed it to be. U.S. citizens will have to prove that status, and foreigners will have to show a valid visa.

State DMVs will have to verify that these identity documents are legitimate, digitize them and store them permanently. In addition, Social Security numbers must be verified with the Social Security Administration.

What's going to be stored on this ID card?

At a minimum: name, birth date, sex, ID number, a digital photograph, address, and a "common machine-readable technology" that Homeland Security will decide on. The card must also sport "physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes."

Homeland Security is permitted to add additional requirements--such as a fingerprint or retinal scan--on top of those. We won't know for a while what these additional requirements will be.

Why did these ID requirements get attached to an "emergency" military spending bill? Because it's difficult for politicians to vote against money that will go to the troops in Iraq and tsunami relief. The funds cover ammunition, weapons, tracked combat vehicles, aircraft, troop housing, death benefits, and so on.

The House already approved a standalone version of the Real ID Act in February, but by a relatively close margin of 261-161. It was expected to run into some trouble in the Senate. Now that it's part of an Iraq spending bill, senators won't want to vote against it.

What's the justification for this legislation anyway?

Its supporters say that the Real ID Act is necessary to hinder terrorists, and to follow the ID card recommendations that the 9/11 Commission made last year.

It will "hamper the ability of terrorist and criminal aliens to move freely throughout our society by requiring that all states require proof of lawful presence in the U.S. for their drivers' licenses to be accepted as identification for federal purposes such as boarding a commercial airplane, entering a federal building, or a nuclear power plant," Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner, a Wisconsin Republican, said during the debate Thursday.

You said the ID card will be electronically readable. What does that mean?

The Real ID Act says federally accepted ID cards must be "machine readable," and lets Homeland Security determine the details. That could end up being a magnetic strip, enhanced bar code, or radio frequency identification (RFID) chips.

In the past, Homeland Security has indicated it likes the concept of RFID chips. The State Department is already going to be embedding RFID devices in passports, and Homeland Security wants to issue RFID-outfitted IDs to foreign visitors who enter the country at the Mexican and Canadian borders. The agency plans to start a yearlong test of the technology in July at checkpoints in Arizona, New York and Washington state.

Will state DMVs share this information?

Yes. In exchange for federal cash, states must agree to link up their databases. Specifically, the Real ID Act says it hopes to "provide electronic access by a state to information contained in the motor vehicle databases of all other states."

Is this legislation a done deal?

Pretty much. The House of Representatives approved the package on Thursday by a vote of 368-58. Only three of the "nay" votes were Republicans; the rest were Democrats. The Senate is scheduled to vote on it next week and is expected to approve it as well.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan has told reporters "the president supports" the standalone Real ID Act, and the Bush administration has come out with an official endorsement. As far back as July 2002, the Bush administration has been talking about assisting "the states in crafting solutions to curtail the future abuse of drivers' licenses by terrorist organizations."

Who were the three Republicans who voted against it?

Reps. Howard Coble of North Carolina, John Duncan of Tennessee, and Ron Paul of Texas.

Paul has warned that the Real ID Act "establishes a national ID card" and "gives authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to unilaterally add requirements as he sees fit."

Is this a national ID card?

It depends on whom you ask. Barry Steinhardt, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's technology and liberty program, says: "It's going to result in everyone, from the 7-Eleven store to the bank and airlines, demanding to see the ID card. They're going to scan it in. They're going to have all the data on it from the front of the card...It's going to be not just a national ID card but a national database."

At the moment, state driver's licenses aren't easy for bars, banks, airlines and so on to swipe through card readers because they're not uniform; some may have barcodes but no magnetic stripes, for instance, and some may lack both. Steinhardt predicts the federalized IDs will be a gold mine for government agencies and marketers. Also, he notes that the Supreme Court ruled last year that police can demand to see ID from law-abiding U.S. citizens.

Will it be challenged in court?

Maybe. "We're exploring whether there are any litigation possibilities here," says the ACLU's Steinhardt.

One possible legal argument would challenge any requirement for a photograph on the ID card as a violation of religious freedom. A second would argue that the legislation imposes costs on states without properly reimbursing them.

When does it take effect?

The Real ID Act takes effect "three years after the date of the enactment" of the legislation. So if the Senate and Bush give it the thumbs-up this month, its effective date would be sometime in May 2008.

Montreal? (1)

Montreal!!hahahahaha (880138) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478272)

hahahaha

Why Bother. (-1, Flamebait)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478273)

My Senator is a democrat. Her vote doesn't count.

Re:Why Bother. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478302)

Tell that to all the judges that can't get confirmed.

Re:Why Bother. (2, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478375)

That is not a vote. And if the democrats phillabuster every thing on the table when they gain power again the republcans will do it right back at them.

Re:Why Bother. (1)

faloi (738831) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478306)

It's ok... She'll get the ban on violent video games she's after, it's all a wash in the end.

Re:Why Bother. (2, Informative)

stlhawkeye (868951) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478339)

My Senator is a democrat. Her vote doesn't count.

The minority party in the Senate isn't nearly so toothless as you make it sound. Every vote counts, and with the filibuster rules, the minority party wields a significant amount of influence.

Re:Why Bother. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478433)

That is, until the republicans do away with the filibuster: http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=16195 [gallup.com]

Stll (3, Insightful)

adamjaskie (310474) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478276)

Typos in the headlines. What are editors for, again?

Re:Stll (1)

djward (251728) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478353)

Splling corrctions

Re:Stll (4, Funny)

PaxTech (103481) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478450)

Vwls wst bndwdth.

Re:Stll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478358)

What they need are some metaeditors

Re:Stll (4, Funny)

tehshen (794722) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478388)

What are editors for, again?

Complaining about

Re:Stll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478455)

Duping stories.

Hurrah! Real ID is bound to fail (4, Insightful)

gowen (141411) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478278)

This will swing the deal, because nothing -- and I mean nothing -- persuades Senators faster than a room full of bulk faxes, all sent from the same website and all basically the same!

Sheesshh.

How can so mainly nominally smart people be so dumb about how best to influence the democratic process.

Just like the UK fait accompli (1)

ndg123 (801212) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478369)

That's what happened in the UK with some of the ID card 'consultations'. Individuals writing to the consultation panel with words of assent (in green ink on the back of the Daily Mail, no doubt) were counted as a vote 'for' the proposal. The signatures/voices of *thousands* of campaigners presented to the consultation panel were treated as a single 'against' vote. So today the government states that the majority of people are in favour, according to their research. And now that they have such a huge popular mandate....

Re:Just like the UK fait accompli (1)

gowen (141411) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478390)

I know, but I get a sneaking suspicion that Labour's reduced majority and the fact the backbenchers hate it, mean that the ID Card Bill will never get through the commons, if it even gets tabled again.

Re:Hurrah! Real ID is bound to fail (1)

betelgeuse-4 (745816) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478490)

OK, so bulk faxes aren't a good idea; would you care to enlighten us further? Unless you have loads of money, how do you influence the democratic process in a 'smart' way?

Re:Hurrah! Real ID is bound to fail (4, Insightful)

The Angry Mick (632931) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478498)

nothing...persuades Senators faster than a room full of bulk faxes

Everybody knows its rooms full of cash that count.

Unable to connect to SQL (2, Funny)

affinity (118397) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478280)

now it's to late for everyone as it's has been /.

sql asplode! (1, Funny)

Legato895 (788993) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478281)

kabooom!

Bruce Schneier on RealID (4, Informative)

PaxTech (103481) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478286)

Bruce Schneier's weblog [schneier.com] has some thoughts on RealID and why it's a terrible idea and won't increase security. Highly recommended.

Re:Bruce Schneier on RealID (1)

bryan986 (833912) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478443)

more than 600 hundred [aila.org] organizations oppose this just another side effect of attaching stupid bills to more important ones

slashdotted (2, Funny)

samgaudet (858365) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478291)

when this site gets slashdotted, how are we supposed to fight it?!

Re:slashdotted (1)

bryan986 (833912) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478380)

carrier pigeon

cherry os (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478312)

what happened to the cherry os front page story?

Re:cherry os (1)

trollercoaster (250101) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478350)

it got popped.

Re:cherry os (1)

0x461FAB0BD7D2 (812236) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478356)

Like Cherry OS itself, it was deemed to be a copy, and thus taken offline. Fitting, I'd say.

The article assumes a lot (3, Insightful)

HighOrbit (631451) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478315)

Of course this is slashdot and we are supposed to think alike and reflexively be against anything the government does in the security arena. But I *really do* want to know that the person boarding the airplane with me is who they say they are and not on an expired visa with a fraudulantly obtained ID (like the 9-11 hijackers on expired visas with fraudulantly obtained Virginia driver licences). I *really do* want the government (all of it including state and local subdivisions) to enforce immigration laws and to know if somebody's visa is expired.
So thank you for the information, I will call/fax my senator to let him know that I want him to vote in favor of Real ID.

Re:The article assumes a lot (1)

JustOK (667959) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478361)

Give me all your information first, then I'll show you mine. Me, I'm more concerned about the pilot and the aircraft.

Re:The article assumes a lot (4, Insightful)

Y2 (733949) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478412)

But I *really do* want to know that the person boarding the airplane with me is who they say they are and not on an expired visa with a fraudulantly obtained ID

I, on the other hand, don't give a flying expletive who they are or what their visa status is, as long as they don't have a weapon.

(It would be a distinct bonus to know that they also don't have a communicable disease!)

So thank you for the information, I will call/fax my senator to let him know that I want him to vote in favor of Real ID.

You've satisfied yourself that Yet Another ID card won't be issued and obtained fraudulently? To paraphrase the patron saint [starwars.com] of the current administration, "I find your excess of faith disturbing."

Re:The article assumes a lot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478480)

I'm going to have to dupe a previous comment in another story. Most of those pesky 9/11 people had valid IDs. This will just be a better way for them to fool officials when they present a perfectly valid, "unfakable" ID card.

Re:The article assumes a lot (1)

hypergreatthing (254983) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478519)

I don't think that you can make the connection with expired visa with fradulantly obtained IDs=Terrorist or even a danger to you. The whole idea of Visas is broken. You don't fix the problem by applying yet another stupid waste of money and an extra false sense of security and pretending that this bandage is a cure all.

In reality, knowing who you're flying with does nothing at all. You think that flying is more dangerous than riding a bus or train with other people. However all the shoe inspections in the world is not going to stop someone from taking over a plane. I feel so much safer that after some idiots took over a plane with box cutters no one is allowed to fly with those dangerous nail clippers.

Wow... (3, Insightful)

0x461FAB0BD7D2 (812236) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478318)

The arguments in the "What is RealID [unrealid.com] " section are ludicrous.

Linking together databases is not spying. Just because China and Vietnam have national IDs doesn't make it a bad idea. A lot of people, after passing the driver license test, still can't drive properly. What's that got to do with illegal immigrants and national IDs?

To me, it sounded like it was written by the guys that wrote about peak oil and the 911 conspiracies.

Re:Wow... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478509)

Peak oil is not a conspiracy. Peak Oil [peakoil.net]

Worldwide (5, Interesting)

Exitar (809068) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478328)

You can find a lot of nations that have unique ID but not capital punishment, weapons in every house and don't make war every 10 years. Uh, and they have a working social security too!

Line Item Veto? (2, Funny)

Oculus Habent (562837) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478329)

Wouldn't it be more productive to attempt to persuade the President to use his much-neglected Line-Item Veto than to attempt to stop a military spending bill for one of its riders?

Re:Line Item Veto? (5, Informative)

jumbledInTheHead (837677) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478413)

The line item veto was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, so I don't see how this would be any good to Bush, who by the way supports the bill.

hrm (1)

Mr.Coffee (168480) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478333)

i see the fax site is down. slashdotted, or government conspiracy?

we already have social security numbers. but i still dislike the idea.

easy to get this voted through (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478334)

just use the "pedo-terrorist" justification...

almost as bad (but actually works) as the chewbacca defense

This is a good idea (1, Interesting)

geoffrobinson (109879) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478346)

Standards for ID's so we can be sure if you have an ID you are who you say you are.

This was a common sense idea, which was agreed to by everyone on the 9/11 commission.

Can a despotic regime misuse this? Yes. But bank accounts, credit cards, etc. could also be used.

I can see no good reason for not doing this unless you are pro-criminal or paranoid.

Re:This is a good idea (1)

Admiral Justin (628358) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478417)

I can see no good reason for not doing this unless you are pro-criminal or paranoid.


Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me!

And before you fax your Senator... (5, Insightful)

Jurph (16396) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478354)

and cuss him out for not reading it, you might want to read the text of it [congress.gov] yourself. You know, just maybe. Democracy requires an informed populace to work, and if you believe the partisan propaganda in the headline of a Slashdot story, how are you any better than a Republican senator who buys the partisan propaganda of the bill's author?

Re:And before you fax your Senator... (3, Funny)

stlhawkeye (868951) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478418)

No no no no no! Shut up! Shut up! Republican bad! Conservative bad! Bush bad! Thok not like it! Thok think Bush bad! Thok hate read id card! Thok know it wrong! All idea from Republican bad and not work! Me know! It what other people say who Thok think smart!

I actually don't oppose the Read ID on the grounds that it's invading my privacy or anything, but that I don't think it'll help much and it's going to cost a lot.

Re:And before you fax your Senator... (4, Informative)

Oculus Habent (562837) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478476)

Check out Section 102, which allows the Secretary of Homeland Security "the authority to waive, and shall waive, all laws such Secretary, in such Secretary's sole discretion, determines necessary to ensure expeditious construction of the barriers and roads under this section." It also prevents any oversight or judicial review of those actions.

I always wanted to be above the law. Now, to become Secretary of Homeland Security...

But... but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478360)

I dont even have a senator, you American-centric clods!

Re:But... but... (5, Funny)

cyber0ne (640846) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478520)

I dont even have a senator, you American-centric clods!

That's ok, I have two. You want one of them?

Show your papers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478364)

For all the ranting about the US quickly turning into a Nazi state where everyone will be showing their papers all the time, I'm still not sure this is a bad idea.

If I thought it would actually help keep illegal aliens out of the country, or assist in their detention and ejection once they're here, I'd actively support it!

But the Republicrats want as many illegals as possible, for their votes and cheap labor, and if this Real ID stood in the way of either, it wouldn't even have been proposed. So as nothing will stop the transformation of this country into another third-world cesspool, whether this bill passes or not doesn't matter at all.

What are the real objections? (2, Insightful)

John Jorsett (171560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478365)

1. It encodes the data digitally? My current driver's license has a mag stripe on the back that does that.

2. The data is readable at a distance? If you're really concerned about that possibility, wrap your license in foil.

3. There's a master database being built? I've got news: private companies have already done that. They've purchased the state databases, digitized them (including biometric data from your picture), and make them available for a fee. Las Vegas casinos love it for determining the identities of who's gambling in their places. Big Brother government, when it wants to know all about you, can, and does, buy that same info.

Real ID doesn't worry me. I'd be more concerned with the US becoming like the UK, a country burying itself in surveillance cameras (and soon, audio devices). That's the real Big Brother scenario to me, when it becomes possible to track and records one's every movement and every public utterance.

pig fucking (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478371)

sod, sod, sod, the wankers are all here!

I'm waiting for (2, Funny)

ICECommander (811191) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478409)

UnrealID: Tournament Edition

Where ID helps (1)

aepervius (535155) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478419)

Instead of using now the SSN for identification, you can use an ID number. And if the ID is lost, stolen, or abused by a third party you can make a new one with a new number. Anybody trying to do that with the old number would imemdiatly trigger alarm. Not perfect, but still better than having your SSN at the mercy of everybody's weak or inexistant security on how they store your identification.

Is this really so bad? (2, Insightful)

$FFh (229923) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478424)

A driver's license is just that, a license to drive a car. Same with a Social Security card/number, to identify you to the IRS and Social Security. Yet both of these are used as general identification. I think it's about time we had a standardized identification card. How many bars have gotten in trouble with the excise police because the accepted a fake out-of-state drivers license? It may have been the first time the bouncer saw a license from that state, and thus, has no reference in his mind. If this passes we might have something to replace Social Security numbers as the primary key for credit agencies that won't be treated as both identification and a password.

What's the Big Deal? (2, Interesting)

ultimabaka (864222) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478427)

Sure, I'm probably going to be flamed a whole bunch for this, but ever since the national ID card issue developed in the U.S., I've been left wondering what the big deal about this is. States can pretty much get the same info off of you from a basic driver's license, the project is under development in the UK (apparently the project will create lots of IT jobs over there [ovum.com] - I know jobs vs. limited freedom isn't much of an argument, but it's not a bad thing is it?), and until I see some solid evidence to the contrary, I see no reason not to believe it will help reduce, at the very least, illegal immigration. I can see a cop walking down the street asking people for their national ID card (which, on an aside, I prey will at least be difficult to counterfeit), and at least I wouldn't complain too much. The ACLU provides five reasons why the system would be a bad idea here [aclu.org] , of which only reason #1 seems to make sense. I would love to hear opposing views on this, since, even though the idea doesn't seem too bad to me, I'm still on the fence. Flame away.

Re:What's the Big Deal? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478497)

The States are supposed to be the ones to determine these types of issues, not the federal government.

Most issues are supposed to left up to the states, the Federal government is supposed to have a very limited amount of authority over the citizens.

Well if there *was* still time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478435)

...there isn't anymore--the site's been Slashdotted.

Tin Foil! (1)

CypherXero (798440) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478440)

Unable to connect to SQL server

They...are..trying to stop...us....ahhhh!

I have posed a question to friends before (1)

hsmith (818216) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478449)

List the governments of the history of the world that have not ended up repressing their citizens.

Amazingly the list keeps coming up empty.

what we really need... (2, Funny)

Legato895 (788993) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478460)

what we really need is to have a world wide identification system, that is also tied to a universal screenname/email etc. also, this should be the sole form of credit currency. this chip should be placed in the skin, preferably on the forhead or hand.

we shall call it... the mark of the best!!!

(note, while im kinda making this a light hearted jab, i realized in all honesty that its not a happy matter for the people that will still be on the earth when this is inacted)

Papers please... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478462)

Your papers are out of order!

If only I could help (1)

ericschoon (814346) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478468)

I would fax my senator, really would.... If I had one /disgruntled DC resident

May 10th! (1)

__int64 (811345) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478471)

Why did they post this just today!? Seriously, it would have been so nice to have at least 2 days heads up. Now I have to magically allocate some in my already booked schedual to draft a letter to these assholes, which will ultimantly do no good, but which must be done.

Another idea (1)

tigeba (208671) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478477)

If you feel strongly, you could just contact your senator yourself. http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/ senators_cfm.cfm/ [senate.gov]

I'm sure that a letter/email/fax from an actual constituent would carry a lot more weight than a bulk fax from some guy with a website.

buy a senator (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12478495)

With this many slash dotters reading that article, the author should have a paypal $1 donate button. After the end of the day, he'll have $1 million dollars to pay a senator to kill that kill.

Isn't this what our Passport is for? (2, Insightful)

RancidMilk (872628) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478507)

I guess I don't understand the difference between real ID and the passport. The only thing is that its a passport/drivers licence hybrid. Is this a replacement for the passport, the driver's license, or the plain identification card. Because if you are over 18 and you don't have a driver's license, you may have the plain ol' identification card. Seems kinda weird that it should be different from the standard driver's license. Or maybe they will change the background color (like that worked in the past). I must say that the site was pretty one-sided and didn't argue both sides. I don't think that it is the best idea with putting all your information on the same card that you have with you at all times. Might as well just burn a barcode in the back of our necks at birth. That way they can only look up the information, they can't specifically read it off of you.

Readable at a distance (1)

Veinor (871770) | more than 9 years ago | (#12478516)

Not every criminal on the street is going to have the equipment necessary to read this. For that matter, drivers' licenses are readable at a distance, assuming you have good eyesight. However, I do agree that some people should be allowed to have P.O. boxes or fake IDs: undercover agents, people in the Witness Protection Program, etc.
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