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Longhorn Beta is Disappointing

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the time-for-extreme-programming! dept.

Windows 1086

bonch writes "Well, Longhorn beta 5048 was released a day before the start of WinHEC 2005, suggestive of the fact that it is not terribly impressive. Paul Thurrott (a Windows writer whose previously reported review of Mac OS X Tiger was updated after user feedback) confirmed this today in day two of his blog from WinHEC. Microsoft needed something big to kill the hype of competitors, but screenshots show minor visual updates from the last beta, and to quote Thurrot: 'This has the makings of a train wreck.'"

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Jack of All Trades, Master of None (3, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352523)

'This has the makings of a train wreck.'"

What? How many killed and injured? An unfortunate choice of words, considering what happened in Japan. I think that's a bit colored anyway from someone who hates mornings and is undoubtably in a less than spritely mood.

I thought the bit about "Longhorn will run fine on a 1GHz computer with 256 MB of RAM" being good (This is good news for today's PC users, some of whom are concerned that they won't have the PC muscle needed to run the next Windows.) rather disturbing. Sounds like the thing is going to be an absolute pig, like XP and 95 before it. (Remember when they said you could run 95 in 8MB? We found you realistically needed 24MB) Even though RAM is cheap, I'm not fond of loading 1GB into a box and then seeing about 1/3 of it taken up by stuff 'I may need and would be really neat if already loaded in memory so IE and other apps would appear to load quickly.' A bit like asking if someone has a pen knife and they hand you one of those swiss army knives with the works, when all you need is just a small sharp blade for 5 seconds (you spend 30 seconds trying to find the actal knife blade in the Victorinox monster.) A PC is a hole in your desktop into which you continually shovel money. With Longhorn you'd better get a bigger shovel

Lovely screen shots. What about the operating system are they supposed to convey, other than it looks more annoying than even XP (I don't do icons in Explorer windows, I do Details.)

Re:Jack of All Trades, Master of None (5, Informative)

rpozz (249652) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352584)

Longhorn will run fine on a 1GHz computer with 256 MB of RAM

Following on from what you said, considering that the system requirements for XP Pro [microsoft.com] state a 300MHz CPU and 128MB of RAM, the real requirements for this thing could be huge. I'm sure many of you would strongly disagree with the idea that XP can run acceptably with 128MB of RAM.

Re:Jack of All Trades, Master of None (5, Funny)

Loki_1929 (550940) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352660)

"I'm sure many of you would strongly disagree with the idea that XP can run acceptably with 128MB of RAM."

Windows XP runs fine on 128MB of RAM. The problem comes when you try to install or run applications which require any memory whatsoever.

But Windows XP runs fine on 128MB of RAM.

Train wreck indeed (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352526)

It's even uglier than XP, which is no small feat.

Re:Train wreck indeed (2, Insightful)

neyneyjung (704430) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352650)

Is it just me, or the folder from Start button giving me the middle finger?

Re:Train wreck indeed (1)

mattkinabrewmindspri (538862) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352684)

They all are. [winsupersite.com]

Re:Train wreck indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352726)

Wow, they've started showing folders turned 90 degrees. Now that's innovation.

Re:Train wreck indeed (1)

a-dac (698778) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352686)

Looks gnomish

Microsoft sucks my nuts - FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352529)

GNAA bitches

Shut Do! (4, Funny)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352530)

"Shut Do..."? [winsupersite.com] What the heck is that? Have they decided to bring Microsoft Bob back as a plucky caveman named "Shut" or something?

(On a serious note, it'd probably be a good idea to fix that--otherwise, grandma's gonna have a hard time figuring out what the "Shu..." button does on her large-text setup...)

Re:Shut Do! (4, Funny)

fizban (58094) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352712)

That's the Homer mode you see there. "Shut.. Doh!"

Re:Shut Do! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352713)

Good heavens, no. They've gone from the stupid double "V" on menus to truncating the individual items? Please no. Does MS have a whole "time/space-saving feature that is actually annoying" development division?

The last thing needed is more stupid defaults to turn off.

Beta (2, Insightful)

McGiraf (196030) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352531)

Well it's still in beta, and a long way to release so a lot can change.

Re:Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352614)

That isn't a troll, it's a very fair point. Please mod appropriately.

Re:Beta (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352702)

Please eat shit.

Pre beta review (5, Insightful)

Joe U (443617) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352534)

Wow, a pre-beta release that isn't feature complete has 'the makings a train wreck'.

Give me a break, it's not even considered beta 1.

It's like complaining about interior design of an unbuilt house.

'OMG, I didn't want open walls and exposed wires! I wanted green wallpaper.'

Re:Pre beta review (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352573)

Awww...

The liddle MS fanboy had his feeling hurt!

But, but, MS is always teh winner!

Re:Pre beta review (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352599)

Well, at least it's not a mac or a linux, talk about a software (both) / hardware (linux)compatability trainwreck.

Re:Pre beta review (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352644)

Heh.

Think about what you just posted. Then think about what kind of fool you just made yourself out to be.

Never fails to amaze me--honestly. The little baby voice was a nice touch, I must add.

On a more serious note: what if a "respected" site/magazine reviewed the latest alpha version of and said that it was a, "trainwreck that smelled of festering shit." I bet your comment(s) would be a tiny bit different.

So, in turn, next time you decide to rattle off something as completly arrogant as you just did, think twice, fanboy.

Re:Pre beta review (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352682)

Whoops.

There was supposed to be a "[insert favorite distro here]" between "of and".

Re:Pre beta review (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352669)

Dear Shithead,

Fuck off. If this was linux, you'd be "but, but, but"ing until the cows come home.

The end result will be the same: Windows will kick your ass... again... while you and your unwashed brothers sit around and muse over how you zinged that guy on Slashdot so long ago.

Re:Pre beta review (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352687)

Bzzt!

http://www.apple.com/macosx/

PS. Tell your virus software I said hi!

Re:Pre beta review (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352707)

Pardon the interruption, but I've never used a virus scanner/firewall with Windows XP/Windows 2000.

OpenBSD (as a firewall/router) and some general common sense (while security Windows) can go a long way.

Re:Pre beta review (3, Insightful)

Rodness (168429) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352595)

On the other hand, since they seem to have be pushing most of the important bits forward to release them for XP because of the delays in the Longhorn schedule, I'm just not at all surprised that their screenshots look like XP with a new coat of paint.

I really don't know what else they can do that's going to be terrifically revolutionary other than under the hood improvements. And they're being very tight lipped about those (what a shock).

I'm just glad that I heard somewhere (I think it was a cnet article in the last couple weeks) that they're going to improve the ability for laptops to be members of multiple domains. That's a big plus...

But the graphical crap? Most people are going to disable it to try(!) to minimize the resources that windows sucks so that they might actually have cpu cycles for tasks instead of eye candy.

Re:Pre beta review (5, Insightful)

Joe U (443617) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352649)

I would be very suprised if the shell was a high priority in beta 1, especially when they are changing the graphics subsystem and parts of the file system.

You can't go and toss up a new shell using new technology that hasn't been designed yet. Wait till RC1 to review.

Re:Pre beta review (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352610)

'OMG, I didn't want open walls and exposed wires! I wanted green wallpaper.'

I think it's more like, "Why are all those junction boxes concealed in the walls?"

To be fair (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352691)

MS has been working on Longhorn even longer than they worked on Windows 95. So its appropriate to comment on the state of the beta after billions of dollars of work over a long period of time.

After 4 years, if this is all they can show, then I'm buying stock in Apple, because if MS attempts to "lock down" digital "rights", then people will be sprinting towards the Mac platform just as fast as they can to get away from this abortion of an OS.

Re:To be fair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352714)

Don't worry, that crap is just one more thing that has been cut out of Longhorn:

http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/secu ri ty/story/0,10801,101332,00.html

At the current pace they are going to run out of stuff to cut out of Longhorn and will have to start removing features from existing Windows XP copies...

"Not only am I not learning, I'm forgetting stuff I used to know."

Why am I not surprised? (4, Funny)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352541)

The first screen shot is in monochrome, the original Macintosh had more shades of grey than this! :)

Re:Why am I not surprised? (1)

McGiraf (196030) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352587)

Well no, it was black and white :)

Re:Why am I not surprised? (1)

anynameleft (787817) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352618)

No, the original 1984 Macintosh did not have grayscale, only pure black and white. Additionally, it only had 512x384 pixels instead of the 640x480 the Longhorn boot screen has.

Actually, even my SE/30, produced in 1990, only has 1 bit color.

ummmm (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352543)

backend first, frontend last - I wouldn't worry, they have a year or more.

I've played with the 3DWM, it's fun.

sarcasm (5, Funny)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352548)

What is he talking about?

No more Super Mario Land default theme! I'd say that's a step forward.

Screenshots? (5, Insightful)

JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352551)

He's complaining that the screenshots aren't very different? I thought the point of Longhorn was primarily the changes within the OS internals.
I could pop a Ferrari engine into a Pinto, and this guy would complain about the air freshener hanging from the mirror.

--
get a free laptop [coingo.net]

Re:Screenshots? (0, Offtopic)

TheIndefiniteArticle (878123) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352583)

right on, brother

Re:Screenshots? (4, Funny)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352590)

I could pop a Ferrari engine into a Pinto, and this guy would complain about the air freshener hanging from the mirror.

...see, I'd be complaining about how the Pinto suddenly started flipping itself with its own torque...

Mod the spammer down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352605)

His sig shows with sigs turned off mod this spammer down.

Re:Mod the spammer down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352705)

Who cares? No one made you click it.

Redmond (1)

sammykrupa (828537) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352552)

"Redmond speed-up the copies."

Re:Redmond (4, Funny)

JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352572)

"Redmond speed-up the copies."

We get signal!

(sorry, I couldn't resist)

--
get a free laptop [coingo.net]

Re:Redmond (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352628)

Main screen turn on!

Opinions on GUI. (2, Interesting)

baadger (764884) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352555)

The purple start button is aweful. Generally I think it looks ghastly, but atleast they ditched the sidebar.

Does/did the Windows 2k classic style GUI really need replacing?

Re:Opinions on GUI. (3, Insightful)

j14ast (258285) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352648)

yes.
looks at apple. (see's the sexiness that is osx)
looks at linux. (see's the shear glee of wobbly windows, and enlightenment)
looks at 2k. (see's something that looks worse than os7, never mind x, and looks shlocky compared to any linux wm short of kde1)
looks at xp and goes blind.

Re:Opinions on GUI. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352692)

Personally I think Aqua looks absolutely terrible, so yes, it is just an opinion.

Re:Opinions on GUI. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352697)

>looks at linux. (see's the shear glee of wobbly windows, and enlightenment)

Nobody uses enlightenment, and wobbly windows are not implemented in any meant-for-everyday-use desktop environment.

ME? (5, Funny)

shamowfski (808477) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352562)

Train Wreck nothing. If we are going to refer to unreleased software as a trainwreck, then what the hell are we going to call Windows ME?

Re:ME? (1)

Jedi Alec (258881) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352591)

the light at the end of the tunnel?

Re:ME? (1)

shamowfski (808477) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352627)

Flamebait? Flamebait nothing. If you are gonna waste moderator points flame-baiting that, then you must be that guy who sits around loving thier windows me box, and waiting to flame-bait people who rip on the worst modern operating system.

Nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352711)

The worst insult you can throw at an OS these days is "its as bad as Windows ME". Even non-tech people nod in sage agreement.

Don't Care (-1, Troll)

CRCampbell (873064) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352564)

I don't care because I'm not going to buy it anyway.

The build for WinHec is a build for driver makers (5, Insightful)

km790816 (78280) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352565)

It was made very clear that the build for WinHec was soley provided as a platform to test driver compatability. MS still has a couple of months until it releases Beta 1.

Please hold your flame till then.

Mod Parent Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352621)

Wish I has points. Thanks for the heads up.

Train wreck? (4, Insightful)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352569)

As long as they don't totally fvck up what they already have, I can't see a train wreck.

Windows ME. Now that was a train wreck.

Re:Train wreck? (1)

ShyGuy91284 (701108) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352724)

Amen to that. Never before have I had multiple family members PC's decide to die w/ a kernel falure if Word or the directory Explorer were opened... Windows ME, I would choose 3.1 over you... Or OS/2..... Well.... Maybe not 3.1....

Screenshots (5, Insightful)

FriedTurkey (761642) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352578)

I actually like the new look. It is 20 times better than the default XP theme. I have to switch every XP work machine to "Classic" because I hate the "Fisher-Price" coloring scheme of XP. Computers should look professional and not like "My First Computer".

Re:Screenshots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352641)

To be honest, I'm just a curious bystander who likes to see what MS can deliver in 2005/6 and this definite does not look like an OS of the time we are living in...

I'm sorry but this is just my 2 cents,

R.

Re:Screenshots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352659)

I have to agree with him. The simple grey and blue looks really nice and they took away the big red X button. I don't know what MS was thinking with XP but I don't need my close button to have a warning on it (red). I would use this theme, but I have never used the XP theme for more more then the time it takes to click windows classic apply.

Sigh (1)

cloudkj (685320) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352580)

This has the makings of a train wreck.

True, but just think how many people (consumers, manufacturers, retailers) will still board this train?

Beta 5048? (4, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352585)

Is 5048 the expected release date?

Its funny, not a troll. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352701)

N/T
.
.
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Re:Beta 5048? (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352717)

5048 would be the build numbers. That means there are 5047 builds that, in the opinion of Microsoft developers, sucked even worse than this beta!

No, that would be release candidate year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352719)

Hey, Longhorn is late and it might suck. And so that's trolling or flamebait?

Gimme a friggin' break.

Business as Usual (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352589)

We go through this same thing every year before Microsoft releases their next OS. Everyone gets all gloomy and doomy about how it's going to take too long, and all the features that get trimmed (cairo/winfs again), and the 632235 bugs still outstanding. A year from now all this will vanish and the hype will be unbearable. The press will be going nuts over the coming computer rapture. And then the same thing will happen as always when the OS is released. A few people will buy it and upgrade their computers. Most everyone else will simply get it from their OEMS when they buy a new computer, whether they want it or not.

Why is this news? (1)

earwiggie (871202) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352592)

Don't tell me you guys actually expected Microsoft to come up with something good ;)

Comparison (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352594)

Compared to Linux, Longhorn is a fantastic (I mean everything about it.. security, UI, features, ease of use).
Compared to OSX, Longhorn is just OK.

I'm looking forward to IE7 more than anything.

I'm unimpressed (1)

vraT (767544) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352601)

I was really hoping they'd break away from the fisher price visual scheme. Then again, I guess they are tailoring to the majority...

"Train Wreck" (1)

adam1101 (805240) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352602)

"My thoughts are not positive, not positive at all. This is a painful build to have to deal with after a year of waiting, a step back in some ways. I hope Microsoft has surprises up their sleeves. This has the makings of a train wreck. I'll have more on that later."

This sounds pretty honest from an aledged Microsoft-shill.

Go ahead and mod me -1 Flamebait but... (0, Troll)

jleq (766550) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352604)

I've seen a whole load of Linux distributions that don't look *near* that good, even with a final release.

Re:Go ahead and mod me -1 Flamebait but... (1)

TheIndefiniteArticle (878123) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352706)

That's interesting, since linux can look pretty much any way you would like it to. You've seen Debian? With Nautilus, Gnome, and X11 for example?

They can't ever do the "right" thing. (2, Insightful)

whysanity (231556) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352607)

For once, I think Microsoft did things right by focusing on usability and not on pretty graphics to make geeks go "weeeeeee". Why is it that they can do no right? If it's too pretty, geeks complain. If it's not pretty enough, geeks complain. I would much prefer to have a solid bakend in alpha, and worry about the pretty stuff later. Do you pick the color of paint before the foundation of your house has been laid? If so, you might just have your priorityies misaligned.

Furthermore, if you watch videos of the beta (which aare actuall of build 5060, no 5048), you will see Longhorn with the new effects enbaled, which is not the case by default on installation. I think it looks damn sexy and will give Mac OS X users a run for thier money.

Do your homework before you post.

Re:They can't ever do the "right" thing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352663)

Agreed. It's unfortunate so many Linux users are so blind in their hatred for Microsoft that they can't focus on any of the 'good'.

Scroll bar in menu (1, Interesting)

hey (83763) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352609)

Did you see the scroll bar in one of the menus?!
Why? There's still room on the screen for it to taller. A scroll bar should be the last resort.
Yuck.

Re:Scroll bar in menu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352670)

GTK has a similar annoyance, in order that popup menus are centered on the currently selected item they end up showing a big block of empty menu and a scroller, when the whole menu could fit comfortably on screen.

Re:Scroll bar in menu (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352679)

Dude THAT'S innovation! Scroll bars INSIDE menu's!

I thought everyone loves to stare at train wrecks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352612)

maybe this is the new strategy?

"Where do you want to go tomorrow? No trains today."

Slashdot is the one looking like a train wreck.. (1)

AdityaG (842691) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352613)

Slashdotters making non-microsoft hating comments in a post about Longhorn.

Enough said.

What did you expect, Bells and Whistles? (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352616)

Most of the marketing hype around Longhorn isn't how pretty it'll look, but how much a programmer can do with it. Remember the DB driven file system, for the searches and everything? And what about XAML?

To be sincere, I really DON'T KNOW what to expect from Longhorn. Anybody does?

Re:What did you expect, Bells and Whistles? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352688)

DB driven file system, XAML.

Did someone take "Things missing from Longhorn" for 25 ?

Re:What did you expect, Bells and Whistles? (1)

Loki_1929 (550940) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352709)

"Remember the DB driven file system, for the searches and everything?"

You're referring to WinFS, which was removed [com.com] from the Longhorn non-server edition to bring it closer to being only extremely delayed.

XAML has also been somewhat stripped down, though it's still in the roadmap so far as I know; at least, it is for the time being.

The WinHec demo seemed ok to me (3, Interesting)

bmajik (96670) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352619)

I watched the 1hr45min keynote from WinHec that included a number of longhorn demos. I haven't personally been playing with LH builds so seeing the stuff demoed was new to me. I thought it was nice. The desktop search capabilities that will be in LH client inspite of not having a real WinFS underneath are surprising.

I'm not interested in getting in a comparative argument with some other eye-candy oeprating system that apparently ships this month; i'm only speaking about longhorn in terms of what i saw demoed and comparing it to what windows xp does today.

One interesting thing i noticed is that i thought some of the demos would be a bit.. "cooler". The underlying possibilities with the new frameworks that are going in should really have some growing room in them that the demos really didn't convey.. or so i'd think.

The Metro format was a surprise to me as well. I'd be curious to see some sort of technical analysis of it. Note also that from a cursory glance it seems like a royalty free format that wouldn't necessarily shut out F/OSS implementations.

Black boxes... (5, Funny)

MisterLawyer (770687) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352620)

"This has the makings of a train wreck."

Shouldn't that say plane wreck now that Microsoft is using black boxes [slashdot.org] ?

It's JUST an OS. (4, Insightful)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352622)

What's so exciting about an OS? Isn't it the apps that we really care about? As long as the OS is secure, doesn't crash, and runs what I want it to run well on the hardware I choose to run it on, isn't that what counts?

(And tack on "and is open source" as well for the perhaps 3% of the world who really understands why that matters...?)

Re:It's JUST an OS. (1)

Alan (347) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352716)

It is just an OS, but MS has been hyping it (well, their evangelists have been anyway) like it's the second coming. XML, Avalon, the new communictions layer, built in DRM, etc etc etc. If this was xp SP3 no one would complain, and in fact, they'd probably praise it for new features, improved graphics, and a new theme :)

Fester... (5, Funny)

Stanistani (808333) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352626)

>to quote Thurrot: 'This has the makings of a train wreck.'

*Dons engineer cap and lights cigar*

Just call me Gomez Addams!

If you'd ever been to Longhorn while skiing (2, Informative)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352629)

you'd know it was really not much.

The name of the project is a reflection of the ski hill area.

And so Longhorn is really just not that interesting, either.

Now, if it had been called Granite, from the Red Mountain Ski Area in the Purcells up in BC, instead of from the coastal mountains, we'd be cooking with gas!

surprise.... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352634)

Microsoft is one of the most profitable software companies of the world (the most?). Despite of having basically an ilimted amount of money to invest in technology, they've had to remove half of the features of longhorn (the latest one was a href="http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10 422">NGSCB).

And even doing that, they've delayed it several times. They can hire the engineers they want, they can waste the money they want. Still, they aren't doing anything useful. The problem is, as always, the not-engineer people, who don't have idea of were Microsoft is going. The golden days of getting revenues by changing the document format in Office are gone. The days where being compatible was everything and people loved it are partially gone because internet allows to update things

And because they don't have an idea of where microsoft is going, they invest in nearly every market they can: Servers, games, xbox, search engine, keyboards, mouses, data bases, programming languages. Microsoft is trying to fight with all the industry, and they can't win.

Riiiiight . . . (2, Interesting)

erikharrison (633719) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352639)

Frankly, I think Paul has the need to call it bad at this point.

If it is bad, Paul is the guy who should be the one to call it first, he's life is so tied up with Windows Development.

Second, by calling it a "train wreck" prior to release allows him to provide a nice counterpoint to his ridiculous cheerleading, so that when Longhorn is released, he can whoop and holler and say stuff like "It was touch and go for a while, but MS has released the greatest OS since TOPS-20!".

The fact that Longhorn likely WILL be a trainwreck is orthogonal to whether Paul would call it one at this point in it's development.

why is it a train wreck? (1)

DarkDigger (643940) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352652)

The article was kinda short on content. The author failed to tell why Longhorn is going to be a "train wreck."

Longhorn - overrated (2, Interesting)

treff89 (874098) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352656)

Microsoft touted Longhorn's features such as WinFS however they have failed to appear in this, the first Longhorn "release". It seems like Microsoft is simply releasing an OS as quickly as possible as opposed to checking it thoroughly for bugs (I know, I know, it's a beta release, but beta with MS = pretty close to the real thing). This is yet another reason why Microsoft is steadily losing ground to Linuses and other alternative OS's. The quality of their software is simply low as they are trying to force out features to meet a schedule, as opposed to FOS OS's, which are simply there for the features (and yet update more often). A good sign of where the world is heading in terms of computer software.

The makings? (1)

cca93014 (466820) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352658)

Whereas his web server is a train wreck. These jokes aren't funny, btw.

*cough* BULLSHIT *cough* (4, Funny)

DroopyStonx (683090) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352661)

NOTHING from Microsoft is disappointing.

I call shenanigans.

Title (1)

kc0re (739168) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352662)

Strickly referring to the title of this article. Are you suprised? I know this will be modded redundant. But, seriously, what starkling breath taking innovation has Microsoft invented or implemented into their OS'es in the past however many years that someone else didn't have first?

Wow (5, Funny)

Pike (52876) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352665)

The commenters on Paul's site are even more juvenile than we are.

So its pretty clear the purpose of Longhorn (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352671)

Is to cram DRM down everybody's throat.

DRM in the form of better license enforcement from MS.

DRM in the form of WMP 11 which will attempt to lock away any trace of our ability to copy music and video to our PC and use it at will.

DRM in the form of "trusted" computing which, not ironically, is exactly untrusted computing, since it turns your PC into a spy and snitch for MS.

I'm not even a Mac fan, but my next PC will be a Mac. This is all too much. I guess its par for the course for "World Intellectual Property Day". A day set to remind us that "All your base are belong to us".

Recycle Bin Moved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352680)

Looks like they moved the default location of the bin to the upper left? No more mac emulation? :P

Shadows in the shadow world (5, Interesting)

magarity (164372) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352685)

The Recycle Bin icon casts a shadow to the left. All the other shadows, including RB's own text, casts shadows to the right. Is it because the RB is itself in a shadow world halfway between here and oblivion??? Such subtle metaphysical goings-on in Longhorn!

I can't believe it (1)

Rollie Hawk (831376) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352700)

Longhorn Beta is Disappointing I, for one, am shocked. Shocked not only that Microsoft failed to deliver ont this beta but that such blatant anti-M$ rhetoric made its way onto SlashDot. Okay, just kidding. But in all seriousness, this shouldn't be a surprise. A version of Windows is generally not out of beta testing until SP2 for all practical purposes.

I'm not totally Microsoft fan.. (1)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 9 years ago | (#12352718)

..and no, nor I waiting for Longhorn nor hyping about it. In fact, I'm free software advocat and active GNOME user and developer. But whole article smells for flamebat mod point, because it will only anger Windows users. It could use more calm language for setting tone for discusion.

I hate to see any flame wars because they are, well, worthless. Longhorn is still two years at least away. When normal product will come out then we could disscuss this.

Quick summary of the the review here on slashbot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352729)

It's not L[u|i]n*x, cannot run under an iMAC, not open source, and MADE BY MICROSOFT!

BOOOOOOO!

Grade: F-

Longhorn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12352731)

What's that? oh, it's that OS you have to pay for...

*Goes back to programming his final project in Anjuta in XFce*

I have a feeling we'll be seeing a lot more of this spoon-fed Microsoft buzz in the next year, until Longhorn is finally released. I'm shutting off my Microsoft stories now :) See ya all in a year.

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